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16-05-2022, 19:03
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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How is Starmer "corrupt"?
And how does Starmer's qualities determine how the Tories are fit for office? As I said, industrial scale whataboutery ...
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Like hell it is. This thread isn’t about Tory fitness for office.
It’s about Partygate and Beergate.
That said, you’re querying about Starmer corruption, Are you joking ?
This is easy. He propped up Corbyn, for PM, who did very little, that I recall to curb Antisemitic traits within Labour, as well as being a Putin apologist.
Not to mention - He’s told several different versions of Beergate Night.
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16-05-2022, 20:00
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Originally Posted by Mick
Like hell it is. This thread isn’t about Tory fitness for office.
It’s about Partygate and Beergate.
That said, you’re querying about Starmer corruption, Are you joking ?
This is easy. He propped up Corbyn, for PM, who did very little, that I recall to curb Antisemitic traits within Labour, as well as being a Putin apologist.
Not to mention - He’s told several different versions of Beergate Night.
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So no evidence then. Got it ..
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16-05-2022, 20:24
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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So no evidence then. Got it ..
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The evidence is, he’s now under criminal investigation, like Boris was, I don’t apologise that you hate this fact.
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16-05-2022, 20:42
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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The evidence is, he’s now under criminal investigation, like Boris was, I don’t apologise that you hate this fact.
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I think it's less a case of Boris was - and more a case of Boris still is - the subject of criminal investigation.
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16-05-2022, 20:43
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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The evidence is, he’s now under criminal investigation, like Boris was, I don’t apologise that you hate this fact.
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Why does that make him corrupt?
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16-05-2022, 20:51
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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I think it's less a case of Boris was - and more a case of Boris still is - the subject of criminal investigation.
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Correct, my bad, but which leader stood on his high horse calling on the other to resign, when a criminal investigation was launched?
Need a reminder?
This is before any conclusion & fine was on its way to Johnson. Now that the above hypocrite, is now under criminal investigation, why hasn’t he resigned, a precedent, he himself set?
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16-05-2022, 20:58
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Why does that make him corrupt?
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I answered that posts ago.
You don’t think Starmer propping up Corbyn to be PM was a problem, given Corbyn’s stance against NATO but equally cosying up to Putin, not in the slightest bit corrupt?
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16-05-2022, 22:59
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Originally Posted by Mick
I answered that posts ago.
You don’t think Starmer propping up Corbyn to be PM was a problem, given Corbyn’s stance against NATO but equally cosying up to Putin, not in the slightest bit corrupt?
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Cosying up to Putin? Isn't there a former leader of the free world you should also be calling corrupt then? He thinks Putin's a 'smart guy'....
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16-05-2022, 23:20
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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I answered that posts ago.
You don’t think Starmer propping up Corbyn to be PM was a problem, given Corbyn’s stance against NATO but equally cosying up to Putin, not in the slightest bit corrupt?
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By that argument, Nigel Farage must be corrupt then. He followed Putin's line in blaming NATO and the EU for the invasion of Ukraine and has even said he admired Putin as an operator.
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2022: Nato has poked the Russian bear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A93xABm2JQc
2014: Debate over Crimea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A93xABm2JQc
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17-05-2022, 07:31
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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How is Starmer "corrupt"?
And how does Starmer's qualities determine how the Tories are fit for office? As I said, industrial scale whataboutery ...
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I fell off my chair at “not an effective communicator”.
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17-05-2022, 07:51
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Your obsession with Farage, is pathetic, I’m not sure why you bring him up with me, I’m not a follower of him, nor he’s he a politician or a current leader of either the largest parties.
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I fell off my chair at “not an effective communicator”.
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Explain the dire local election results then for Labour, let’s see “if falling off your chair”, recovered at least some applicable intelligence.
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Cosying up to Putin? Isn't there a former leader of the free world you should also be calling corrupt then? He thinks Putin's a 'smart guy'....
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You’re another one obsessed with the past, move on FFS. You’re becoming very boring, bringing up the same shit, Mr K.
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17-05-2022, 08:51
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Explain the dire local election results then for Labour, let’s see “if falling off your chair”, recovered at least some applicable intelligence.
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Bad policies?
I know it's difficult to grasp viewing everything through the prism of Brexit and therefore the Government can do wrong whether lying, corruption, failure to tackle the cost of living crisis. However if Labour don't put up an alternative policy platform, or at best "slightly less shit and less corrupt then the Tories" it'll be consistently rejected.
A £10 minimum wage in 2025 when it's currently £9.50 isn't a compelling alternative. Far from being an ineffective communicator I'd go so far as to say Sir Kier is a very effective communicator. So effective the fact the party have no ideas is transparent to everyone.
It then becomes easy for the Tories and right wing press to bog him down in culture wars - discussing whether women have penises or refugees to Rwanda is a good idea or not. They neither heat the house or put food on the table.
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17-05-2022, 08:57
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Explain the dire local election results then for Labour, let’s see “if falling off your chair”, recovered at least some applicable intelligence.
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I mean 'dire' is very much spin though isn't it? It's slightly better than 2018 overall which is when Labour had polling numbers consistent with their 2017 election performance. Which is quite a recovery from 2019.
It's not amazing, it's not great. But it's not bad either. It's a decent performance. Especially in the context of where they've come from.
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17-05-2022, 09:25
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
Sigh! I see the discussion hasn't moved along.
Anyway the Tories attack on Starmer is a mistake because it keeps everyone's mind firmly on what preceded that. Not much point in kicking it into the long grass if you keep getting the strimmer out to find specific targets that suit your agenda.
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17-05-2022, 09:28
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Sigh! I see the discussion hasn't moved along.
Anyway the Tories attack on Starmer is a mistake because it keeps everyone's mind firmly on what preceded that. Not much point in kicking it into the long grass if you keep getting the strimmer out to find specific targets that suit your agenda.
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Johnson is toast anyway. It’s a case of keeping Labour in chaos chasing their tail until the Tories find a new leader since Crown Prince Sunak cocked it up.
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