12-06-2021, 11:04
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Re: Britain outside the EU
*Respect and trust are missing
*The EU has long experience of bending the rules when it wants to
*Nobody trusts Boris
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12-06-2021, 11:20
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Hugh
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Good analysis. What goes around comes around. Maybe Seph is right that another leader could sort this out more effectively with the EU.
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12-06-2021, 11:27
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Re: Britain outside the EU
A rather good analysis
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12-06-2021, 11:39
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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I hope that the British Sausage is on the breakfast menu.
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From yesterday's Metro
https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/10/joe-b...JyqPjZ6bGsEvUM
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Joe Biden to give Boris a hand in sausage war as he tries to beat off EU
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12-06-2021, 15:43
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Good analysis. What goes around comes around. Maybe Seph is right that another leader could sort this out more effectively with the EU.
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I have a gut feeling that what Boris actually wants is to pull out of this deal. And he is rather cleverly pulling the public around to that point of view.
It’s what he would have preferred to happen, let’s face it, but the political risk was too high at the time the deal was done.
This won’t change the situation in respect of the NI/Ireland border but it will enable trade from Britain to resume unencumbered. Faced with that threat, the EU might just start to take the need to negotiate on the protocol more seriously and we resolve the matter that way.
A win-win for Boris, whichever way it goes.
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12-06-2021, 18:26
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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I have a gut feeling that what Boris actually wants is to pull out of this deal. And he is rather cleverly pulling the public around to that point of view.
It’s what he would have preferred to happen, let’s face it, but the political risk was too high at the time the deal was done.
This won’t change the situation in respect of the NI/Ireland border but it will enable trade from Britain to resume unencumbered. Faced with that threat, the EU might just start to take the need to negotiate on the protocol more seriously and we resolve the matter that way.
A win-win for Boris, whichever way it goes.
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You’ve hit new heights of idiocy if you think the above will happen.
As has already been said withdrawing/no deal will cause the collapse of the Good Friday agreement and the return of a hard border on the island or Ireland. It will NEVER happen.
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12-06-2021, 18:44
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Re: Britain outside the EU
I remember a heck of a lot of people saying Brexit would never happen, you were possibly one of them
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12-06-2021, 18:58
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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I remember a heck of a lot of people saying Brexit would never happen, you were possibly one of them
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If you can’t see the difference in severity between the two I might suggest you go and join old boy i
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12-06-2021, 18:59
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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You’ve hit new heights of idiocy if you think the above will happen.
As has already been said withdrawing/no deal will cause the collapse of the Good Friday agreement and the return of a hard border on the island or Ireland. It will NEVER happen.
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I think more likely than your scenario is that Johnson will continue unilaterally with the grace period. The EU will retaliate as they've threatened; Johnson might invoke Article 16 but that will only prolong the agony. It is possible that the EU/UK agreements will fall through entirely. leaving the EU with the hard birder problem.
I don't see the GFA collapsing; the only way that would collapse if sectarian violence takes hold and a military border becomes necessary. That will be the EU's fault.
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12-06-2021, 20:51
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
I think more likely than your scenario is that Johnson will continue unilaterally with the grace period. The EU will retaliate as they've threatened; Johnson might invoke Article 16 but that will only prolong the agony. It is possible that the EU/UK agreements will fall through entirely. leaving the EU with the hard birder problem.
I don't see the GFA collapsing; the only way that would collapse if sectarian violence takes hold and a military border becomes necessary. That will be the EU's fault.
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Old Boy's scenario is unrealistic. A hard border would breach the Good Friday Agreement so that's not on the cards, as mrmistoffelees has explained.
To help unblock the impasse, it would do no harm for BoJo to replace David Frost with someone with a less confrontational approach.
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12-06-2021, 21:10
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Old Boy's scenario is unrealistic. A hard border would breach the Good Friday Agreement so that's not on the cards, as mrmistoffelees has explained.
To help unblock the impasse, it would do no harm for BoJo to replace David Frost with someone with a less confrontational approach.
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Mrmistofelees referred to the collapse of the GFA, not a breach; quite a difference. But in the circumstances I've mooted, it would be the EU that would cause the GFA breach.
As regards David Frost, we need to stand firm - be it he or someone else. There needs to be a pragmatic solution that allows us to to supply goods to NI supermarkets unfettered by customs formalities. I regard the EU as being confrontationalist, threatening to bring all hell down on us as we protect sending the British Sausage to NI without any EU controls.
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12-06-2021, 21:24
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Re: Britain outside the EU
As I understand it, and believe me I am not interested in it very much. By the the letter of the agreement checks can be can be enforced. However, for domestic products for domestic consumption the U.K. did not expect checks to be done, they understood they could be, but they did not expect them to be done.
As Chris has pointed out, the EU are just a rules based bureaucracy that is who they are. It’s petty and unnecessary. But the U.K. should have expected this from the EU.
Either way, a solution would be very easy to reach for rational people............do you know any.
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12-06-2021, 21:33
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Re: Britain outside the EU
I wonder if opening a sausage factory in NI would be a good business move at the moment?
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12-06-2021, 21:35
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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I wonder if opening a sausage factory in NI would be a good business move at the moment?
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Where would the meat come from
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12-06-2021, 21:39
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Last time I was in NI I noticed they had the odd farm here and there, granted it was a few years ago but I doubt it's changed that much!
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