Coronavirus

[downquark1]

This is the problem we have. If we had a population of perfectly responsible blonde automatons (naming noone) we wouldn't need restrictions at all. And if we had an ultra authoritarian state we would have been sealed up in our houses we would have stomped it down already. We are unfortunately in this sort of middle ground.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Or, the populations.....

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Apologies, I must have missed the part where SAGE indicated that moving more of the population to Tier 4 would be enough to suppress the virus.

If you could provide the relevant link showing the above ?

As your post lacked context I assumed it was in response to the previous post.

[1andrew1]

Here's how you do things if you're not afraid of the covidiots in your Party.

Ireland returns to full lockdown for at least a month, with prime minister warning of 'extremely serious' situation

Ireland's ban on air travel and passenger travel on ferries from Great Britain has also been extended to 6 January.

Ireland will return to Level 5 restrictions for a least one month in an effort to limit the spread of the coronavirus, the prime minister Micheal Martin has said.

Addressing the nation, he described the situation as "extremely serious", saying the new variant of the virus is "spreading at a rate that has surpassed the most pessimistic models available to us".

He said: "The numbers will deteriorate further over the coming days.

"With the presence of the new strain and the pace of growth, this is not a time for nuance in our response. We must apply the brakes to movement and physical interaction across the country."

https://news.sky.com/story/ireland-r...ation-12175864

Disagreeing with the way something is done does not make you a 'covidiot'. This is not Facebook/Twitter, Grow up.

[jfman]

Well the "back to the office to save Pret" brigade certainly look like idiots in retrospect.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by jfman

Well the "back to the office to save Pret" brigade certainly look like idiots in retrospect.

Lol, or 'eat out to help spread a deadly disease'. What a wonderful initiative....

Originally Posted by jfman

Well the "back to the office to save Pret" brigade certainly look like idiots in retrospect.

The what ? Who are they ?

Originally Posted by Mr K

Lol, or 'eat out to help spread a deadly disease'. What a wonderful initiative....

That scheme ended in August, and only ran for 3 days a week.
No doubt it will have had an effect, but your obsession with blaming it for the current situation is just nonsese.
This second wave would have happened regardless (and people would still have eaten out was well, regardless).

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Just to lighten things up a little
(Shamelessly ripped from F/Book).

10 Points to Ponder as 2020 draws to a close ...

1. The daftest thing I ever bought was a 2020 planner.
2. 2019: Stay away from negative people. 2020: Stay away from positive people.
3. The world has turned upside down. Old folks are sneaking out of the house & their kids are yelling at them to stay indoors!
4. This morning I saw a neighbour talking to her cat. It was obvious she thought her cat understood her. I came to my house & told my dog.... We had a good laugh.
5. Every few days try your jeans on just to make sure they fit. Pyjamas will have you believe all is well in the kingdom.
6. Does anyone know if we can take showers yet or should we just keep washing our hands?
7. I never thought the comment, “I wouldn’t touch him/her with a 6-foot pole” would become a national policy, but here we are!
8. I need to practice social-distancing ....from the refrigerator.
9. I hope the weather is good tomorrow for my trip out to the bins!
10. Never in a million years could I have imagined I would go into a bank with a mask on and ask for money.

[Mad Max]

10. Never in a million years could I have imagined I would go into a bank with a mask on and ask for money.

That's the winner for me....

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by jfman

I see the Government have masterminded another “short cut” giving more people the first dose and changing the timeframe from the second dose to 12 weeks from 4 weeks. Once again looking for an easy/quick way out rather than put in the hard graft.

Anyone aware of any other countries taking this step?

Hopefully doesn’t have a significant impact on effectiveness and/or gets more people the Pfizer vaccine.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If the circumstances change; which they have with the more infectious variant; then it's logical for the Government's approach to change.

Interestingly, they seem to be following Tony Blair's suggestion from a week ago.


https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-b1777845.html

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Very sorry to hear of your loss, Seph.

I wonder if the rush has anything to do with the South African variant, which some egg head said earlier might be resistant or more resistant to a vaccine,

Originally Posted by Mick

Sick of all this Tier 3 and 4 bullshit, Sage advisors for the government has explicitly stated that it needs something more stronger than Tier 4 to stop this new variant, so what does Bojo go do....?

.....Place millions more in Tier 4, just issue another lockdown NOW, that you're going to have to do in a weeks time anyway, close all schools and stop doing this delay crap and get it done.

He is so desperate not to upset anyone, delaying the inevitable will just cost lives

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

The what ? Who are they ?

If I recall Iain Duncan Smith and Graham Brady were fairly prominent in August/September around a push to get people back into offices which was firmly against scientific advice.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

He is so desperate not to upset anyone, delaying the inevitable will just cost lives

Some are so desperate to keep the country locked down, delaying the virus will just cause more mutations.....

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Some are so desperate to keep the country locked down, delaying the virus will just cause more mutations.....

You do know the more the virus is transmitted, the more likely it is that mutations occur?

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/co...irus-mutating/

However, it is important to work toward viral containment and ending the pandemic, because the longer the virus continues to circulate, the greater the chances of a new mutation emerging.

Anyway, Pfizer aren’t happy that with the proposed 12 week gap for the 2nd dose of it’s vaccine.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-regimen.html

Pfizer warns there is NO proof its Covid jab works when doses are taken 12 weeks apart as UK regulator scraps 21-day rule in desperate attempt to get millions more vaccinated

But Pfizer said there was 'no data' in its studies to show its vaccine protects against Covid when taken 12 weeks apart.

In a thinly-veiled swipe at the UK, the US firm warned that any 'alternative' dosing regimens should be closely monitored by health authorities.

'Data from the phase three study demonstrated that, although partial protection from the vaccine appears to begin as early as 12 days after the first dose, two doses of the vaccine are required to provide the maximum protection against the disease, a vaccine efficacy of 95 per cent,' Pfizer said in a statement.

'There are no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days.'

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Some are so desperate to keep the country locked down, delaying the virus will just cause more mutations.....

If there was an annual top ten list of crass Old Boy comments, this one would be up there.

[nomadking]

Mutations are also coming in from overseas. On the one hand you might not want people to be excessively exposed to something from abroad, on the other it might be an advantage for as many people as possible to be immune ahead of a mutation from abroad. Another complication is where a mutation is less virulent or dangerous. No easy answers, whatever way you look at things. People keep forgetting that.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

If there was an annual top ten list of crass Old Boy comments, this one would be up there.

He obviously seems to find it hard to understand that tough measures are needed because if we don't have them the death toll would be much much higher then it is now and the NHS would be in complete and absolute meltdown and unable to cope.