Coronavirus (OLD)

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Punishing different age groups differently is basically giving a free pass for other age groups to act less responsibly. If you feel people aren't being discouraged enough, that's fine and I agree because far too many people aren't taking things seriously, but punish everyone that's flouting the law equally.

This isn't an age issue, it's an issue that affects everyone and everyone needs to be on board with it.

There's another side to the statistics as well - correlation is not causation. More young people are being infected, that is true and I have no doubt that a proportion of that, even a significant proportion, is people going out drinking and partying - but that doesn't necessarily mean they're breaking the law, refusing to wear masks or not respecting social distancing. You can do everything "right" and still get infected. A large proportion of frontline workers are young people, that also skews the statistics greatly as well. You don't often find retired people working the checkouts.

We eased restrictions, opened pubs and encouraged people to go out, eat out to help out, etc. and suddenly we've had a rise in cases. If you want to look for someone to blame, blame the government. If you want to look for a group to blame, blame the group that refuses to wear a mask, or spreads stupid conspiracy theories - and those groups span all ages, all demographics.

The rump of misbehaviour is an age issue and you must know that. The offenders can then infect anyone.

Again - what's the matter with you, Kush?

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The rump of misbehaviour is an age issue and you must know that. The offenders can then infect anyone.

Offenders can infect anyone - true.

Only young people are offenders - false.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Again - what's the matter with you, Kush?

Why do you keep turning this into a personal argument?

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Kushan

What's your obsession with punishing younger people? Covid doesn't care what age you are, if you spread it, you spread it. Fine anyone not social distancing or wearing a mask. If you really want to punish the younger folk, take solace in the fact that they have a much lower quality of life than the 50-65 group had when they were younger.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54116939 R is above 1 again.

Here comes second lockdown.

Really, and you know this, how?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Really, and you know this, how?

Economic data.

There’s plenty of data out there to show that younger people today have less employment opportunities, are saddled with more debt, more likely to stay at home with parents for longer and are further from the housing market than previous generations.

Of course the bitterness that the older generation have means many will not see that and blame eating avocado, and lattes. They live to deny progression for those that fame after them.

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by jfman

These are inevitable really, although by the time they come out in the figures it’ll be too late. Cases doubling every 8 days, R definitely above one. Steps need to be taken to slow the spread, and stop it spreading into the most at risk groups. Or it’s lockdown 2. Boris has as much said we are buying time until Operation Moonshot is up to speed.

Just make wearing mask mandatory, no mask no entry in to any building.


Some idiot suggested that a face mask causes a build up of CO2.


Despite the fact a NHS doctor wore a medical spec mask and a O2 reader and his levels did not move.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Just make wearing mask mandatory, no mask no entry in to any building.


Some idiot suggested that a face mask causes a build up of CO2.


Despite the fact a NHS doctor wore a medical spec mask and a O2 reader and his levels did not move.

The misinformation around masks is ridiculous. It costs next to nothing, takes little effort and has some effect.

No it’s not a silver bullet. But we don’t have one of those, that doesn’t mean masks isn’t progress.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Offenders can infect anyone - true.

Only young people are offenders - false.



Why do you keep turning this into a personal argument?

Only young people are offenders - false.

I never said that. Where did I say that?

Why do you keep turning this into a personal argument?

Because you are jumping in on replies I make to jfman or Andrew. You obviously have the right but your new found tendency, which has not happened before, leads to a curt reply.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by jfman

Economic data.

There’s plenty of data out there to show that younger people today have less employment opportunities, are saddled with more debt, more likely to stay at home with parents for longer and are further from the housing market than previous generations.

Of course the bitterness that the older generation have means many will not see that and blame eating avocado, and lattes. They live to deny progression for those that fame after them.

Fair enough point on the economic data, but the bit in bold is ridiculous!

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Economic data.

There’s plenty of data out there to show that younger people today have less employment opportunities, are saddled with more debt, more likely to stay at home with parents for longer and are further from the housing market than previous generations.

Of course the bitterness that the older generation have means many will not see that and blame eating avocado, and lattes. They live to deny progression for those that fame after them.

i don't think any generation has been/or is worse off than the generation preceding it.

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by jfman

It might take longer than you’d expect. If the “I had Covid in January brigade” are right - we of course don’t know as there was no testing, and hasn’t been antibody testing - hospitalisations followed much further down the road.

Unless of course “I think I had Covid in January” was simply a misinformation exercise to reassure people that it wasn’t so bad.

On Jan 2nd I was around my sisters celebrating my nieces 19th birthday. I wasn't feeling to good, I came home ad was sitting on my sofa shivering and felt like crap.

I went to bed at 8:30pm on the Thursday night and woke a 8am on Saturday I had zero energy, I look back and think did I have Covid then?


This was before CV was really known about.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

The misinformation around masks is ridiculous. It costs next to nothing, takes little effort and has some effect.

No it’s not a silver bullet. But we don’t have one of those, that doesn’t mean masks isn’t progress.

I'm all for mandatory masks indoors (except eateries and pubs)

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I'm all for mandatory masks indoors (except eateries and pubs)

I agree with you on that, but I wouldn't wear one outside unless it was fairly crowded.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I'm all for mandatory masks indoors (except eateries and pubs)

Either masks are needed indoors or they're not. If you absolutely need to eat or drink then either do it away from others, or do it quickly and put your mask back in place. The idiotic exceptions highlight the contradictions.
Anything that is classed as being "safe", has to be safe to such a high level, as otherwise more people will do that activity, more often, meaning any "safety" gain is completely lost.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Either masks are needed indoors or they're not. If you absolutely need to eat or drink then either do it away from others, or do it quickly and put your mask back in place. The idiotic exceptions highlight the contradictions.
Anything that is classed as being "safe", has to be safe to such a high level, as otherwise more people will do that activity, more often, meaning any "safety" gain is completely lost.

Again it’s 100% or nothing from nomadking.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

Again it’s 100% or nothing from nomadking.

A principle is just that. If the principle is safety, the exceptions have to be safe to the same level. A room full of people eating or drinking isn't magically safe, compared to a room full of the same people not eating or drinking.