07-06-2020, 12:15
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Racism is a broad concept. Hate crime is a (recent) specific legal concept relating to regular crimes getting recategorised based on the motivation behind the crime.
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aah, so a couple of Polish chaps beating the crap out of a Slovak isn't racist, but if they beat the crap out of a hindu it is?
I'm not even sure who categorises these crimes anyway, is it the police, the CPS, or the media?
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Reason: LOL, typed CPU instead of CPS *numbnuts*
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07-06-2020, 12:15
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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I didn’t say it didn’t work for me, I said it’d be unlikely to succeed. Unfortunately many of these things are entrenched in generations, even before I was born. Political parties, across the world, enjoy “othering” as a cheap way to appeal to the majority of the population by arousing suspicion against minorities and appealing to cheap, often evidence lacking, stereotypes.
In the absence of it succeeding all you can do is hope that over time future generations become enlightened. The same way the societal norms of the 1800s, 1900s and 2000s are vastly different on a range of issues e.g. religion, role of women, sexuality, gender, etc. You are unlikely to convince someone who became an entrenched racist in the 1960s that all their lives they’ve been wrong. Their entire mindset is driven by the idea that minorities either shouldn’t be here or should be grateful that they are and not complain about it.
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And how does anyone become enlightened? By education. Where to start? In schools as a starting point. It NEEDS to be taught on how to avoid entrenched thinking.
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07-06-2020, 12:37
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Originally Posted by Carth
aah, so a couple of Polish chaps beating the crap out of a Slovak isn't racist, but if they beat the crap out of a hindu it is?
I'm not even sure who categorises these crimes anyway, is it the police, the CPS, or the media?
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Depends which concept of race you are going with. The law is defined by Parliament, arrests are decided by the police and charges by the crown prosecutor or the district attorney if you are in America. Each of these levels are open to bias.
I'm not massively educated on the specifics in English law.
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07-06-2020, 12:45
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Re: Black Lives Matter
Ive recently been called a racist for saying "All lives matter not just black lives". The woman went mental at me and said i was racist.
If it had been a bloke the way they were towards me id have thumped them thats how bad they reacted.
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07-06-2020, 12:50
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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And how does anyone become enlightened? By education. Where to start? In schools as a starting point. It NEEDS to be taught on how to avoid entrenched thinking.
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I agree on that.
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07-06-2020, 13:37
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Re: Black Lives Matter
Black, white, ginger, blonde, fat, skinny, gay, straight. We are all human and bleed the same colour blood. This might be an extreme stance but I now believe that things such as black lives matter or LGBT are making things worse than better. Its creating an us and them attitude. It’s segregating people when we should be uniting as one and flushing out the bad people.
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07-06-2020, 13:52
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Originally Posted by Mythica
Black, white, ginger, blonde, fat, skinny, gay, straight. We are all human and bleed the same colour blood. This might be an extreme stance but I now believe that things such as black lives matter or LGBT are making things worse than better. Its creating an us and them attitude. It’s segregating people when we should be uniting as one and flushing out the bad people.
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Trouble is people use the all lives matter response as a whataboutism issue. At the moment Black lives is the issue because it's been shoved under the carpet every single time it's been brought up. Nothing ever gets done about it by anyone for all of my life. I still remember the no blacks signs in London in the 50/60s when I was a child.Equal rights legislation did help but we still need to do more.
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07-06-2020, 14:00
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Trouble is people use the all lives matter response as a whataboutism issue. At the moment Black lives is the issue because it's been shoved under the carpet every single time it's been brought up. Nothing ever gets done about it by anyone for all of my life. I still remember the no blacks signs in London in the 50/60s when I was a child.Equal rights legislation did help but we still need to do more.
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Black lives matter no more than white lives matter. If we want to fix the problem, the first thing we need to do as humans is stop separating who we are. We aren't black, we aren't white. We are just human and some humans are good and other humans are bad. Until that's taught to people, in my opinion there will always be trouble. Let's stop segregating ourselves into groups and let's fight the issue properly. All lives matter. I don't need to be told black lives matter as I'm not racist.
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07-06-2020, 14:20
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Black lives matter no more than white lives matter. If we want to fix the problem, the first thing we need to do as humans is stop separating who we are. We aren't black, we aren't white. We are just human and some humans are good and other humans are bad. Until that's taught to people, in my opinion there will always be trouble. Let's stop segregating ourselves into groups and let's fight the issue properly. All lives matter. I don't need to be told black lives matter as I'm not racist.
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It's easy to claim that when you are white and actually the privileged majority. White people do not know what it is to be considered less than others. The nearest I might get to be considered unequal is as a woman which I have experienced in my lifetime.It really stings when your worth is considered to be less than a man.
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07-06-2020, 14:35
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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White people do not know what it is to be considered less than others.
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Nice sweeping statement, which I'm sure is completely untrue.
I'll bet there are countless 'white people' who are considered "less than others", and I suppose all this fuss about mental health is complete nonsense ?
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07-06-2020, 14:36
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Originally Posted by Maggy
It's easy to claim that when you are white and actually the privileged majority. White people do not know what it is to be considered less than others. The nearest I might get to be considered unequal is as a woman which I have experienced in my lifetime.It really stings when your worth is considered to be less than a man.
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The above is exactly what I'm talking about. Two things here. You've just assumed I'm white and then labelled me different to a black person.
I'm not white, I'm a human. Let's start the education there. We are all equal to each other. I'll fight for racism to be rid in this world but my opinion is that can only happen more if we now stop separating ourselves into groups. It's now creating an us and them situation which is exactly what it shouldn't be doing.
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07-06-2020, 14:44
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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The above is exactly what I'm talking about. Two things here. You've just assumed I'm white and then labelled me different to a black person.
I'm not white, I'm a human. Let's start the education there. We are all equal to each other. I'll fight for racism to be rid in this world but my opinion is that can only happen more if we now stop separating ourselves into groups. It's now creating an us and them situation which is exactly what it shouldn't be doing.
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I'm not white I'm a human, it's that kind of thing that causes divisions.
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07-06-2020, 15:04
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Trouble is people use the all lives matter response as a whataboutism issue. At the moment Black lives is the issue because it's been shoved under the carpet every single time it's been brought up. Nothing ever gets done about it by anyone for all of my life. I still remember the no blacks signs in London in the 50/60s when I was a child.Equal rights legislation did help but we still need to do more.
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Yes but the BLM movement is a movement against The authorities killing Black people and that is not the case here.
The authorities are not the cause of black deaths in the U.K.
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07-06-2020, 15:07
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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I'm not white I'm a human, it's that kind of thing that causes divisions.
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Why? Who is not a human?
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07-06-2020, 15:19
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Re: Black Lives Matter
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Why? Who is not a human?
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You're dictating on how you want to be treated. You don't want the label of black, white or whatever. you want to be treated differently to just about everyone else and you still want your views to mean something. It's like what is it 50 odd shades of gender now, but you're still either male or female. If you don't like it or if that is an issue then it is no one else problem other than your own.
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