Brexit (Old)

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Dave42

see Teressa May trying the bribe tactic again to try get her deal through like she did to stay in power

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-m...-fund-11654666

£1.6bn isn't small change but it is worth noting that this is on top of the €17.2bn of structural investment we are getting from the EU for the 2014-2020 budget cycle.

Interesting to see where the EU ESI money goes in the UK - file:///C:/Users/100018459/Downloads/CBP-7847.pdf

Originally Posted by jonbxx

£1.6bn isn't small change but it is worth noting that this is on top of the €17.2bn of structural investment we are getting from the EU for the 2014-2020 budget cycle.

Interesting to see where the EU ESI money goes in the UK - file:///C:/Users/100018459/Downloads/CBP-7847.pdf

We are not getting anything from the EU - that is OUR money they are giving back, minus their cut.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

We are not getting anything from the EU - that is OUR money they are giving back, minus their cut.

The same could be said for all forms of taxation. Scotland’s oil etc.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

And where's Dave now? Getting on with implementing it? Or did he run away to foreign holidays and his country mansion?

He ran away and he's history.

Originally Posted by jfman

The same could be said for all forms of taxation. Scotland’s oil etc.

Bollocks to that.

Inland Revenue is our place to pay Tax in to UK Coffers not the corrupted EU as well.

When will some of you Remainers get it in to your heads, that the UK is a NET Contributing Member of the Corrupted EU (Hopefully not for much longer). ???

In laymen's terms, if I was to take £5,000 from you and then I gave you back £3,250 and ALSO tell you what to spend it on, I am not investing in you, I am just giving back SOME of what you give me and I am taking a cut for doing bugger all (Except the dictating part)!!!

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What happens when the vote goes against your wishes, I'm sure you'll be happy not to hold the liars to account won't you, say Corbyn tells a load more whoppers and gets the top job, that'll be fine with you and you'll just get on with it, we really do get the politicians we deserve. Oh and for the record for me it's not about leaving or staying it's about someone trying to make a mug out of me, I don't like it and won't shut up about it or let those concerned forget it


and in the spirit of our current brand of politician I may have "misremembered" the doctors figure, tbf though I am doing this from memory, think it was 10% of doctors that believed it true and 2 out of 3 that thought it was a deliberate lie, not a misinterpreted suggestion

I don't know why you are being so naive. Politics and lies have always gone together.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

He ran away and he's history.

A complete dereliction of duty...

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mythica

AKA, throwing your toys out the pram. Brexit is huge, it's not just as simple as leave or remain. If we are to leave it needs to be done properly.

It is that simple, actually. Leave means leave. A concept that so many remainers don't seem to be able to get their heads around.

Originally Posted by jfman

The same could be said for all forms of taxation. Scotland’s oil etc.

Err, no - the UK is a unitary nation state. The money is paid by every citizen to a government which is exclusively accountable at the ballot box to the entire British electorate and then is distributed as required, again by the government which is accountable to us, and only to us. Despite loud protestations from Scottish nationalists, theirs is a minority view and most people in Scotland are comfortable that this is the case and should remain so.

The European Union, despite its ambitions, is not a unitary nation state and once we have paid our contribution we have extremely limited control over the institutions that spend it.

The two situations are as different as chalk and cheese and nobody with any kind of grasp of the reality here could possibly equate them.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don't know why you are being so naive. Politics and lies have always gone together.

Calling someone out as naive just because you don't agree with their views is rather silly OB.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

A complete dereliction of duty...

Maybe so, but it doesn't take away from the fact that the electorate was assured their decision would be implemented. Why are we still talking about this? We need to look forward, not back.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It is that simple, actually. Leave means leave. A concept that so many remainers don't seem to be able to get their heads around.

Nothing like generalising again as its a minority who have not accepted the result nothing more nothing less.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

Calling someone out as naive just because you don't agree with their views is rather silly OB.

I'm sorry, but it is simply naive not to appreciate that politicians have a tendency to lie. I thought everyone knew that.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Maybe so, but it doesn't take away from the fact that the electorate was assured their decision would be implemented. Why are we still talking about this? We need to look forward, not back.

If one calls something as significant as a in/out EU referendum then they should have the courage to see it through end of..

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You say it as if it's okay because them other lot lied as well, I say it isn't okay, it's very far from okay, if I had my way there would be big consequences for trying to hoodwink the electorate. I'd have thought all the true defenders of democracy, the will of the people types would agree or is it more a case of my voice must be heard and hang the rationale behind it, which imo makes them less of a democracy champion and more of a spoilt brat and anyone thinking this is just about brexit is mistaken to again imo, this whole country is paralysed by it, nothing is being done whilst the place crumbles around us, the law of unintended consequences personified, who voted for that?

17.4 million people (a majority) voted to LEAVE the EU. What wasn't on the ballot paper does not change that. The fact that the politicians are a useless bunch of self-serving idiots is an unfortunate element in delivering the public's mandate.