08-01-2019, 20:38
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Re: Brexit
Isn’t he still under investigation
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08-01-2019, 20:39
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by jfman
Is that from his diamond mining company that doesn’t seem very busy?
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Secret stash on the isle of wight.
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08-01-2019, 20:41
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#6003
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Remoaner
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
Rumours are that Aaron banks is offering a loan to fund no deal preparations.
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He obvious isn't. One he doesn't have government budget type money and even if he did the governments isn't in the business of loaning directly from individuals like that.
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08-01-2019, 20:42
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Architect of Ideas
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Isn’t he still under investigation
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By the Special Counsel for the US Department of Justice, no less.
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08-01-2019, 21:20
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by jonbxx
But very often, what come around goes around, especially at the committee stage. Way, way back in the day, I went on a week 'business skills' course run by the UK scientific research councils (MRC who funded me, BBRSC, PPARC, etc.) One of the activities we did was a mini COREPER session, COREPER being the EU Commissions point where member states negotiators get together to bash out new initiatives, laws and so on. The chap running this session used to be part of the UK team at COREPER.
We had to negotiate treaties on renewable energy policy, levels on an industrial pollutant and tariffs on soft fruit. I was in the 'Sweden' team and we couldn't give a monkeys about soft fruit or the pollutant as we didn't make either but was very strong on renewables. We formed an alliance where we backed Spain and Italy on their soft fruit policy in return for their support on our renewables policy. We went 'soft' on the pollutant issue to get Frances support. We were given guidelines on our 'public' position and a secret limit to how far we could vary from this position.
It was a tough three hours but it bought it home how much horse trading you can do when working on multiple issues. Concessions on olive oil bottles will be paid back somewhere else. No one gives away anything for nothing at COREPER!
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Very insightful, thanks for taking the time to share this.
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Interesting analysis from one reader ("Count Kostov") in today's FT
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And so battle is finally engaged. But whoever gets their way on Brexit will suffer winner’s curse.
If the Brexiters have their way they will have to live with the chaos they have created. Doubtless, they will blame the chaos on Remainers for stopping them getting the gold-plated unicorn version of Brexit which they would have done if only real Brexiters like David Davis had been in charge of negotiations. Oh, hang on…he must have been sabotaged by the treacherous May.
If the Remainers somehow win, then the Brexiters can spend the rest of their lives pleading a betrayal and treachery narrative. Every setback and misfortune will be traced back to the original sin of the great betrayal. It will be non stop grievance. Win or lose, the betrayal narrative is central to Brexit mythology.
A Remain victory will give the opportunity for really vicious populists to rise up and lead the charge against the establishment (ie anyone who disagrees with me) who betrayed the people. Protestors chanting ‘Nazi’ at politicians will seem very tame in comparison to what may come.
Brexit has opened Pandora’s box and it will be very difficult to close.
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https://www.ft.com/content/20e20694-...1-4ff78404524e
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08-01-2019, 21:23
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
It's more like you pulled the funding and caused this so now you pay squire,the harsh reality of treachery is usually an unpleasant end... up the revolution
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Ah, the old "If I don’t get what I want, I might have to resort to violence, I don’t want to, but you made me do it" ploy...
One of the pillars of Brexit was "Parliamentary Sovereignty" - seems you’re not happy with it if they don’t do what you want...
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Isn’t he still under investigation
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman
By the Special Counsel for the US Department of Justice, no less.
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And the UK’s National Crime Agency.
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08-01-2019, 21:37
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Re: Brexit
I hope when inevitably we remain there are riots on the streets. It’ll make it easier to imprison the unpleasant underbelly of society we’d be better off without.
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08-01-2019, 21:52
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by jfman
I hope when inevitably we remain
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08-01-2019, 22:03
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by jfman
I hope when inevitably we remain there are riots on the streets. It’ll make it easier to imprison the unpleasant underbelly of society we’d be better off without.
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All you need to know after all the excitement tonight from 303 treacherous MPs: The UK is still destined to leave the EU with no deal on March 29 2019 unless it revokes Article 50 or goes along with May's deal.
The rest is noise.
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08-01-2019, 22:07
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mick
The rest is noise.
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Totally mate 100% .. it's just bla bla bla .
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08-01-2019, 22:08
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Re: Brexit
It’s not noise it’s a constitutional crisis brewing. One that will result in the can being kicked down the road and eventually back to the people.
Britain isn’t in a position to leave the EU under no deal terms and everyone deep down knows it. Cabinet, and the party, is on the verge of open rebellion.
Brexit supporters don’t seem very relaxed considering it’s “inevitable”.
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08-01-2019, 22:11
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Re: Brexit
I'm not sure that elected MPs voting one way or the other can be called treacherous. That's emotional mumbo jumbo in my book.
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08-01-2019, 22:12
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#6013
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by djfunkdup
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Insightful as ever.
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08-01-2019, 22:14
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by jfman
Brexit supporters don’t seem very relaxed considering it’s “inevitable”.
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Hopefully, 99% are.
The other 1% are busy threatening all sorts of mindless violence to female elected Members of Parliament who don't agree with them.
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08-01-2019, 22:16
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
I'm not sure that elected MPs voting one way or the other can be called treacherous. That's emotional mumbo jumbo in my book.
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It’s literally not.
You can’t really criticise them though. Vote Leave had to lie and cheat to win by a wafer thin margin. They can all agree on one thing only to end freedom of movement. There’s no agreement on anything else.
A racist and xenophobic policy, based only on emotion, can only have negative consequences for the minds of those who are seeing their dreams taken from them. It really was a once in a lifetime opportunity and a monumental effort to reach 52%. They know it’s done unless it happens right now. Hence the anger.
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