The 2017 General Election

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Paul M

I'll be surprised if May is still leader at the end of 2017, nevermind 2020. She screwed up big time.

Apparently, the bookies estimate a 54% chance of another election this year.
Yet more money wasted on election admin that could be spent on the NHS, schools and security.

[Gary L]

So what we've learned from this mess is that Theresa is a bloody old fool.

calling an election that we didn't need purely for the reason of bigging up her ego. she was hoping that she would be given super human powers by the voting public.

she's weaker now than she ever was. she's more wobblier than she ever was.
Stability?? my arse!
the woman is pathetic. go old wobbly can't be taken seriously woman!

when you hear her talk now and hear her wobbly voice. you just can't take her seriously can you.
she's trying to be in charge but she really can't pull it off.
shake your fists more wobbly woman. that might work!

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by MarkC1984

Quite honestly, this election has been a disaster for everyone pretty much.

Teresa May because she lost the majority that Cameron somehow against all the odds in 2015 secured
Corbyn because whilst doing so much better than I and many polls predicted didn't win the election
Sturgeon because the incessant banging on about a second Scottish independence referendum drove voters away to the Scottish Tories
Nuttall & Farage because UKIP is now pretty much finished as a political party, in all honesty once the Leave result last year won UKIP should had disbanded

In fact, only the DUP seem to have been the big winners out of this election, finding themselves effectively in government, even if there's no official coalition or confidence and supply agreement between them. However, I cannot see this lasting for a full 5 years now so I am 90% sure we will be having the election by 2020. Also probably without May as leader of Tories.

They'll be another election this year never mind 2020. The DUP are right wing homophobic trouble making nutters. They'll be demanding everything and holding her to ransom. Only takes a few Tories to rebel on any issue or a couple of by elections for it all to fall. One of her MPs is in court facing charges next month; he'll find it hard to vote behind bars.

Labour didn't win but they did far better than anyone expected. They are going forwards, the Tories have pressed the self destruct button as usual. Jezza needs to bring some of the former Labour big guns back, but they have to accept why he's been successful and that New Labour is history.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

So what we've learned from this mess is that Theresa is a bloody old fool.

Yes a lot of Tories seem to have that sentiment. None of them said it before the election though, they thought she was a tactical genius ! They underestimated Corbyn and took the public for granted. The tide is turning, the next few months will be a shambles and the Tories will get the blame. Meanwhile Labours support will increase.

[denphone]

Two in three Conservative Party members say that May should announce her resignation.

http://www.conservativehome.com/thet...signation.html

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Mr K

The DUP are right wing homophobic trouble making nutters. They'll be demanding everything and holding her to ransom..

Some of the DUP policies are in line with Biblical teaching. Good.


But they will not be used as a bargaining chip. They are interested in the Brexit aspect. They want a friction less border, but out of the single market. Something everyone wants.

Originally Posted by Mr K

They'll be another election this year never mind 2020. The DUP are right wing homophobic trouble making nutters. They'll be demanding everything and holding her to ransom. Only takes a few Tories to rebel on any issue or a couple of by elections for it all to fall. One of her MPs is in court facing charges next month; he'll find it hard to vote behind bars.

Labour didn't win but they did far better than anyone expected. They are going forwards, the Tories have pressed the self destruct button as usual. Jezza needs to bring some of the former Labour big guns back, but they have to accept why he's been successful and that New Labour is history.

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Yes a lot of Tories seem to have that sentiment. None of them said it before the election though, they thought she was a tactical genius ! They underestimated Corbyn and took the public for granted. The tide is turning, the next few months will be a shambles and the Tories will get the blame. Meanwhile Labours support will increase.

Think you are getting a little carried away. The Conservative campaign was shocking as was their manifesto and yet they still beat labour by 56 seats. It was also the highest turnout since 97 and the majority appear to have been students who leaned towards Labour.

The Conservatives also increased their share of the vote by 12.4% whereas Labour increased by 9.8%.

So, in my opinion, they had their chance and blew it.

From yesterday's News Quiz.

Jeremy Corbyn proved wrong all those people who said he couldn't win an election, by not winning an election...

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Some of the DUP policies are in line with Biblical teaching. Good.


But they will not be used as a bargaining chip. They are interested in the Brexit aspect. They want a friction less border, but out of the single market. Something everyone wants.

Not quite true

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Hugh

From yesterday's News Quiz.

Jeremy Corbyn proved wrong all those people who said he couldn't win an election, by not winning an election...

Yep, which is explained by this...

[Anonymouse]

Frankly, I'm no fan of any of them. I still want a 'None Of The Above' option - that way the politicians would find out, for certain, what the electorate really thinks. I reckon NOTA would get a majority, It'd be fun, if nothing else, to see what would happen.

For myself, Heinlein's logic still rings true: if you can't decide who to vote for, then vote against. The fly in the ointment is that if you don't want to vote for any of them, then you end up voting for none of them, i.e. not voting. Which is precisely why I want NOTA - it would be possible to make your feelings known while not compromising your principles by voting for someone you don't want to vote for. (The exception to this was 1997, when millions of people including me voted against the Tories for the simple reason that we were desperate to get rid of them! I don't know anyone who reckoned Labour would be any better - they weren't, of course, and I never trusted Blair and that creepy smile anyway - but at least they weren't the damn Tories!)

And don't give me that cobblers about not being entitled to complain if you don't vote - us non-voters still have to pay our taxes, which pay for whichever government gets in! (Speaking of taxes, did you know tax rebates are taxed? Yeah - I claimed a rebate for work uniform laundry...and lost 20% of it in VAT! )

The current political system does not work. End of. As far as I'm concerned they can all take a running jump.

Originally Posted by passingbat

Some of the DUP policies are in line with Biblical teaching. Good.


But they will not be used as a bargaining chip. They are interested in the Brexit aspect. They want a friction less border, but out of the single market. Something everyone wants.

Well, hopefully not Exodus 21.7, Exodus 35.2, Leviticus 11, etc.

https://youtu.be/DVL-gA1KpxQ

(Not to mention Deuteronomy 21:18-21, Leviticus 21:17-23, Leviticus 15: 19-20)

[Taf]

Around here, those that abandoned Labour in 2015 to vote UKIP, allowing the Tories in, have now abandoned UKIP and gone back to Labour, ousting the Tories. To be expected. No huge swell of voting by youngsters either.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

Frankly, I'm no fan of any of them. I still want a 'None Of The Above' option - that way the politicians would find out, for certain, what the electorate really thinks. I reckon NOTA would get a majority, It'd be fun, if nothing else, to see what would happen.

For myself, Heinlein's logic still rings true: if you can't decide who to vote for, then vote against. The fly in the ointment is that if you don't want to vote for any of them, then you end up voting for none of them, i.e. not voting. Which is precisely why I want NOTA - it would be possible to make your feelings known while not compromising your principles by voting for someone you don't want to vote for. (The exception to this was 1997, when millions of people including me voted against the Tories for the simple reason that we were desperate to get rid of them! I don't know anyone who reckoned Labour would be any better - they weren't, of course, and I never trusted Blair and that creepy smile anyway - but at least they weren't the damn Tories!)

And don't give me that cobblers about not being entitled to complain if you don't vote - us non-voters still have to pay our taxes, which pay for whichever government gets in! (Speaking of taxes, did you know tax rebates are taxed? Yeah - I claimed a rebate for work uniform laundry...and lost 20% of it in VAT! )

The current political system does not work. End of. As far as I'm concerned they can all take a running jump.

So, as a matter of interest, exactly what kind of policies would you vote for?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mr Banana

The Conservatives also increased their share of the vote by 12.4% whereas Labour increased by 9.8%.

That was the UKIP disintegration effect. Nigel's coming back and swivel eyed loons will return to UKIP when it becomes apparent they aren't getting the Hard Brexit they have wet dreams about.

[denphone]

Fallout continues for Theresa Mays election campaign team.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-team-dup-live