The state benefits system mega-thread. - Page 41

Nidge41 · 01-10-2013, 17:18

The Artist Taxi Driver says it all.

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**Hugh** · 01-10-2013, 17:21

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Originally Posted by Sirius

That's as long as you have the £115,000 in the first place. I consider myself to be well paid and i would never get away with spending that much on expenses and i have not the money to be able to spend that much over a year anyway.

Quite a bit of those 'expenses' are support staff and office (including rent etc) costs, both in London and in their constituencies, and travel to/from constituencies....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7970533.stm

Gary L · 01-10-2013, 17:35

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Originally Posted by Nidge41

The Artist Taxi Driver says it all.
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Workfare Sets You Free!

You do have to wonder if they've got the idea from the Nazis. you really do

Poundland are getting ready for the free workers.
they've announced that they're opening 1,000 new stores to celebrate the boom.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24345284

here we go then..
slavery is officially back in Britain. and it's even legal too LOL

Osem · 01-10-2013, 17:56

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Originally Posted by martyh

This is the type of benefit fraud that a lot of people don't think about when discussing benefit fraud ,normally discussions are confined to people working and claiming or giving false information to inflate a claim for sickness .I've said in these threads many times when told what the fraud figures are that they are a best guess because the majority of fraud remains undetected ,in this case i would suggest that poor management of the housing stock is allowing this type of fraud to be so widespread

Tip of an iceberg I reckon, it's just a question of how big.

01-10-2013, 18:07

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Originally Posted by martyh

This is the type of benefit fraud that a lot of people don't think about when discussing benefit fraud ,normally discussions are confined to people working and claiming or giving false information to inflate a claim for sickness .I've said in these threads many times when told what the fraud figures are that they are a best guess because the majority of fraud remains undetected ,in this case i would suggest that poor management of the housing stock is allowing this type of fraud to be so widespread

the most widespread fraud imo is the couple living together but claiming separate

peanut · 01-10-2013, 18:20

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

the most widespread fraud imo is the couple living together but claiming separate

I'd agree with that. Though not sure how you can give false info to inflate a disability claim. Saying that I can believe it but not sure how you can get away with it though. It can't be the easiest one to defraud by far.

01-10-2013, 18:32

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

the most widespread fraud imo is the couple living together but claiming separate

and renting a second council property out to get even more money

Nidge41 · 01-10-2013, 19:14

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Originally Posted by peanut

I'd agree with that. Though not sure how you can give false info to inflate a disability claim. Saying that I can believe it but not sure how you can get away with it though. It can't be the easiest one to defraud by far.

You've only got to look at the amount of Motability cars out on the road, when they park up the drivers can do 100 meters faster than Usain Bolt.

That's the biggest money pit.

Gary L · 01-10-2013, 19:22

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Originally Posted by Nidge41

You've only got to look at the amount of Motability cars out on the road, when they park up the drivers can do 100 meters faster than Usain Bolt.

That's the biggest money pit.

To be fair. the driver doesn't have to be disabled to drive the car.

peanut · 01-10-2013, 19:30

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Originally Posted by Nidge41

You've only got to look at the amount of Motability cars out on the road, when they park up the drivers can do 100 meters faster than Usain Bolt.

That's the biggest money pit.

I also have a blue badge, but I don't drive. If you saw me, you would question my disabilities also on the face of it. Oh and if I get caught short I'd also give Usain Bolt a run for his money too.

nomadking · 01-10-2013, 19:57

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Originally Posted by Gary L

To be fair. the driver doesn't have to be disabled to drive the car.

If the disabled person is not in the vehicle or simply remains seated inside, then you are not allowed to use the Blue Badge.
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You are also not allowed to use your blue badge if you do not intend to leave the vehicle while it is parked. For example, if you stayed in the car while someone else went shopping and displayed your blue badge, the police or a traffic warden could take action against you.

peanut · 02-10-2013, 08:01

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Originally Posted by martyh

All it will mean is that instead of 6 paid employees picking up litter there will be 12(example) 6 paid and 6 receiving dole ,the job can done by the original 6paid employees so no one loses their jobs

But will it mean 6 workers doing the same as 1 worker because lets face it, they won't be putting in the same effort as someone doing the same job on full pay.

It will mean that any work will have to be menial as would you trust anyone who's been unemployed for more than 3 years to do something for nothing and expect a level of commitment / standard. It's bad enough when you employ temp workers to a job, anything responsible is a risk. So give that job to someone that doesn't want to be there and not to be paid then you're asking for trouble.

I don't think there is an answer, but doing something is better than nothing, but I think community service isn't the way to go, you might as well turn to crime if the punishment is the same as being unemployed.

And the alternative is to sit in the job centre for 8 hours a day 5 days a week, that's clearly not going to work, and IDS has stated no comment when it comes to reimbursing travel expenses to get there.

Osem · 02-10-2013, 08:07

Maybe the punishment for crime needs to be harsher but that's another thread...

Gary L · 02-10-2013, 09:21

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Originally Posted by Osem

Maybe the punishment for crime needs to be harsher but that's another thread...

It'll be easier just to class claiming benefits as a crime.

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Originally Posted by peanut

And the alternative is to sit in the job centre for 8 hours a day 5 days a week, that's clearly not going to work, and IDS has stated no comment when it comes to reimbursing travel expenses to get there.

I can't see them not paying travel expenses.

well maybe I can.

Osem · 02-10-2013, 11:13

Then again, I'd like to think that the unemployed would consider community work a useful contribution to society in return for benefits whilst your average criminal and anti-social types would consider it a punishment. Same work perceived differently...