Muslims to march in London

[Ramrod]

A mass demonstration of 100,000 Muslims will take place in London next weekend as anger continues over publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed.......they said they needed to "channel" growing anger felt by communities across Britain that Muslims were being persecuted and made to feel like "second class citizens".

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I'm puzzled. How are Muslims here being made to feel like 2nd class citizens? The cartoons were published in Denmark, Muslim bombers have targeted commuters in London and Muslims have marched here with blatantly anti-west and derogatory banners and yet UK Muslims are the hard done by ones?
It seems to me that they have a persecution complex........

[Russ]

Anyone else feel slightly annoyed when minorities claim they want equality when their actions indicate they want 'superiority'?

[Insector]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

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I'm puzzled. How are Muslims here being made to feel like 2nd class citizens? The cartoons were published in Denmark, Muslim bombers have targeted commuters in London and Muslims have marched here with blatantly anti-west and derogatory banners and yet UK Muslims are the hard done by ones?
It seems to me that they have a persecution complex........

I always thought that white people in the uk are treated like 5th class citizens? I'd love to be treated like a 2nd class citizen

All I can say is I agree with the above statements.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

It seems to me that they have a persecution complex........

Yep. Still I wonder what the police would do if there was a counter demonstration for freedom of speech with banners showing the cartoons

I'd be willing the bet the Muslim march wouldn't be re-routed or have the banners confiscated.

[basa]

Originally Posted by dezzo

Yep. Still I wonder what the police would do if there was a counter demonstration for freedom of speech with banners showing the cartoons

I'd be willing the bet the Muslim march wouldn't be re-routed or have the banners confiscated.

You're joking of course there is no way on earth any demo in favour of free speech against these publications would be permitted, let alone a 'counter' one at the same time or place. The law doesn't allow 'whitey' to demonstrate (or complain even).

[NitroNutter]

The way I see this is its a show, showing that they "can" do what they like. I am beginning to wonder just who is the minority here.

I remember when the Glaziers visited Man U ground for the first time and the fans it seem to me to be sat peacefully blockading the road in protest and what happened, oh yes the police practically ran over any that was left after they stormed in thrashing thier battons around.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

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I'm puzzled. How are Muslims here being made to feel like 2nd class citizens? The cartoons were published in Denmark, Muslim bombers have targeted commuters in London and Muslims have marched here with blatantly anti-west and derogatory banners and yet UK Muslims are the hard done by ones?
It seems to me that they have a persecution complex........

Dam well said

[Ramrod]

I posted this not to 'have a go' at Muslims as such but to get your thoughts on why they feel persecuted here since it's their side that spouts off at our morals, blows us up etc...... I just don't get it

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Originally Posted by Bill C

Dam well said

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Hang on a mo........The Danes publish some cartoons and the Muslim community throws a worldwide wobbly........yet when 9/11 & 7/7 & Madrid & all the other atrocities happened I don't recall 100k Muslims marching in london to show their disgust at what was being done in their name.

[NitroNutter]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I posted this not to 'have a go' at Muslims as such but to get your thoughts on why they feel persecuted here since it's their side that spouts off at our morals, blows us up etc...... I just don't get it ---------- Post added at 10:57 ---------- Previous post was at 10:56 ---------- ty ---------- Post added at 11:03 ---------- Previous post was at 10:57 ---------- Hang on a mo........The Danes publish some cartoons and the Muslim community throws a worldwide wobbly........yet when 9/11 & 7/7 & Madrid & all the other atrocities happened I don't recall 100k Muslims marching in london to show their disgust at what was being done in their name.

Nope when 9/11 happened they blatantly threatened on national TV that if a muslim brother is attacked anywhere in the world, all muslims worldwide will see it as an attack on all muslims.

Well we can allways march with a similar population percentage (in groups of 11 people or less or course) waiving placards of, well even "death to positive discrimination" would be more civil than most of the last placards seen.

I can really only see one main reason behind this, as its not even a problem that occured here, and that is these 100,000 have no desire to be moderate and in fact wish to stir as much tension as possible, however peacefull this event remains they know full well what they are doing.

[basa]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Hang on a mo........The Danes publish some cartoons and the Muslim community throws a worldwide wobbly........yet when 9/11 & 7/7 & Madrid & all the other atrocities happened I don't recall 100k Muslims marching in london to show their disgust at what was being done in their name.

No ... but quite a few *celebrated* it ... does that count ??

You'd think if there was such an underbelly of disgust at the current over reaction by *some* muslims (such as has been indicated in the media), this majority of *reasonable muslims* would organise a rally against the demos.

Nah .. perhaps not.

[Taf]

There'll just be some cleric making a press statement against the rally... as if that will calm things down at all!

And I get the feeling that Hamza's supporters will be out in force too.... and they will quake in their boots (sandals?) when another cleric makes his press statement...

The Police appear to let them get away with almost anything... are they AFRAID of them? They don't seem afraid to bash a few white heads.....

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by basa

No ... but quite a few *celebrated* it ... does that count ??

Not least some of last weekends protesters....

You'd think if there was such an underbelly of disgust at the current over reaction by *some* muslims (such as has been indicated in the media), this majority of *reasonable muslims* would organise a rally against the demos.

Thats also what I'm confused about--we are constantly told by our press and 'moderate muslims' that they are being misrepresented by a minority of nutcases in their midst. Are we to assume that the 100 000 marchers next weekend are some of that minority-since they are marching because of some cartoons that weren't even published here. Because if that 100k are the majority moderates then why weren't they out marching after 9/11 etc?

[NitroNutter]

Oh well at least Tescos will tell you that nuts do definatly have nuts in them

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I posted this not to 'have a go' at Muslims as such

It seems to be having that effect, however.

Not that I'd worry about that unduly, I don't think that's avoidable atm.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

but to get your thoughts on why they feel persecuted here since it's their side that spouts off at our morals, blows us up etc

Maybe it has nothing to do with whether they are 'persecuted' here or not. After all, this has erupted all over the world, whether there was publication or not.

It is quite clear that Muslims everywhere are saying they have been 'insulted' - I wouldn't be surprised if there were even those who haven't seen the cartoons who would still claim to have been insulted!

Attacks have been made on innocent people in many places, based on nothing more than their nationality, race or religion - because they certainly had nothing to do with the cartoons or their publication.

But since the cartoons were published within the freedom of speech (FoS) right, I suppose that Muslims have decided that everyone from a country that supports FoS are guilty by association. (Except any Muslims in those countries, even those born there, of course.)

We have had a number of clashes in recent years between the values, ethics and beliefs of 'the West' vs. those of Muslims. Some of these have seemed trivial (e.g. issues of dress), but now we have a direct confrontation between one of the fundamental rights of our democracies and one of the many faiths that coexist here.

Any one faith making such a challenge should be opposed, otherwise we'll descend into theocracy - history is already awash with blood spilt to separate church and state across Europe, so a return to a situation where any religion holds sway in that way is unacceptable.

Considering the many objections that Muslims seem to have to the way Western societies function, why are they here? If they want their religion to have primacy in their lives, to have it rule their every waking (and sleeping) moment, then why aren't they all rushing to Iran or Saudi? There, they could be assured of the presence of Sharia law. Comforted in the knowledge that should they step out of line, then a whipping, stoning or beheading is not far away.

We cannot go any further to adjust our societies specifically to their demands. Not ever, but certainly not while we are faced with violent protest and terrorism as the ever present threat that they are today.

There have been few, if any, significant changes required to accomodate a vast range of faiths in this country. We have been able to satirise, make fun of and ridicule just about every one of them - until now.