Police 'right to strike' vote fails.

[Osem]

The Police Federation of England and Wales has failed to achieve enough votes to lobby the government for industrial rights.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21652384

There's not much detail in the article yet but IIRC I just heard on BBC radio that only 43% of those eligible to vote bothered to do so. I find that quite surprising.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Osem

There's not much detail in the article yet but IIRC I just heard on BBC radio that only 43% of those eligible to vote bothered to do so. I find that quite surprising.

As its an England & Wales only vote I'm not up to speed on it but I don't think it was as easy as every Fed member getting a voting card sent out. They had to register first and go through various hoops.

That said with such a vicious attack on the Police by the current government I'm surprised by the low turnout. I see the same MPs that ignored the pitiful PCC election turnout are now claiming the 'vast majority' of Police don't want the right to strike.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I think the reason why the vote was so low is that Police Officers cannot strike, And l cannot see it changing.

My son is going for police officer this year, and has already been told what his wages and conditions will be and they are quite staggering. From a fathers point of view, l am proud of what he will be doing, BUT, the pay and conditions are an insult to the work and crap they have to put up with.

In my association with the Met, l have never known morale to be so low in the service, everyone is saying that they have a cushy number, well let me assure you the stress that officers are put under from the moment they booked on for duty - its heart attack stuff, and its go go go right from the start.

Three of my mates who went for PC, quit after the first month due to the pressure, and now my son has to pay for the training course out of his own pocket, with no guarantees of getting the elite position.

I personally feel that Police officers need a voice, and the strike would be the best option, but they are not allowed by law to strike, this could be why the vote was low.

If you went on the streets and asked if anyone would like to be a Police Officer for 19 grand a year - put your life on the line for the public, l think the answer will be NO WAY.

If the public was under the illusion its blues/twos all the time - they are totally mistaken.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

now my son has to pay for the training course out of his own pocket, with no guarantees of getting the elite position.

They pay for there training as a police office

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Sirius

They pay for there training as a police office

me too supose government looking at in different perspective a lawyer has pay there education.

Arthur can you say how much it is. Do they get remuneration after they leave or put few years in service.

Not saying right way to go about things what happens if puts people off joining. We could have crisis.

If police now what next step armed forces get told the same.

Think the reason for it being low is possible there is many still believe in the principles of police should not strike. I can say its right or wrong in that principle belief.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Siruis, the procedure is that 'trainee police officers, have to pay for a course which takes ten weeks, this is paid out of the own pocket.

You then sit an exam, if you pass the exam, which is strict, you then have to pass a medical, and then you go to Hendon Police College.

Before, l hate to say this, the government place strict guidelines on the Police Service, years ago you applied and went straight to Hendon where you past exams, that has now all changed.

My son has been through the course once before and failed. He is going through it again and the whole recruiting has changed again.

To do the training is very hard work and its course work, course work all the time, Even though he pays for the training, which saves time at Hendon, he still has to pass the exam to get to Hendon.

I have been told that out of 600 applicants in the last entrance to Hendon College, only 200 got through to the college, As l have said some of my mates have tried and failed to get there and list all that money, only ONE has succeeded, and even he is now struggling, And in the first 18 months its a struggle and there is no guarantee that you will finally get though to become a police officer.

There is quite a lot of people who think that becoming a police officer is a peace of cake - well it isn't. I was proud to wear the uniform of a MSC officer (specials), l saw things that the public don't see - the paperwork, the stress. I did 16 years of it and enjoyed every minute, but what annoys me is when you get people who run the police service down - they don't see half of what goes on.

[mertle]

thank you arthur so its quite shocking system will if continued will surely get alot disalusioned of paying not making it.

We could find big crisis down the road.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

And under gov guidelines the pay has gone down as well, this is why l get so angry when people say that its a piece of cake.

There are young adults out there who want to be police officers that do not make the grade, l have been told that they are looking for people that have degree's. Don't know how that is going to effect catching criminals.

Its the hardest job in the world.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Siruis, the procedure is that 'trainee police officers, have to pay for a course which takes ten weeks, this is paid out of the own pocket.

You then sit an exam, if you pass the exam, which is strict, you then have to pass a medical, and then you go to Hendon Police College.

Before, l hate to say this, the government place strict guidelines on the Police Service, years ago you applied and went straight to Hendon where you past exams, that has now all changed.

My son has been through the course once before and failed. He is going through it again and the whole recruiting has changed again.

To do the training is very hard work and its course work, course work all the time, Even though he pays for the training, which saves time at Hendon, he still has to pass the exam to get to Hendon.

I have been told that out of 600 applicants in the last entrance to Hendon College, only 200 got through to the college, As l have said some of my mates have tried and failed to get there and list all that money, only ONE has succeeded, and even he is now struggling, And in the first 18 months its a struggle and there is no guarantee that you will finally get though to become a police officer.

There is quite a lot of people who think that becoming a police officer is a peace of cake - well it isn't. I was proud to wear the uniform of a MSC officer (specials), l saw things that the public don't see - the paperwork, the stress. I did 16 years of it and enjoyed every minute, but what annoys me is when you get people who run the police service down - they don't see half of what goes on.

That is shocking and is out of order that people applying to do a job like that have to pay up front to do the course, Give your lad my regards and i hope he passes this time.

[nomadking]

I am struggling to find any evidence that people are required to fund their training. The nearest thing seems to be an OPTIONAL course that is meant to help people pass the interview and assessment stages.

They start at Hendon. No mention of a pre-Hendon course, never mind having to pay for it.

The structure of IPLDP sees all officers attend a five-week module at Hendon Recruit Training School. Then, until week 18 they attend a local training unit before 5 weeks coached patrol on their designated borough. Finally, they return to Hendon for 2 weeks.The whole of the new IPLDP is non-residential making recruit training more accessible to people.

Selection process for the Met only involves 2 days of assessments, one day of which is medical and fitness.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I can assure you that my son is paying for a course, it saves on the training at Hendon.

There is a book that you have to buy, and its approx inch and half thick and you have to read it, and then go on the course, then you go for an exam that takes you onto Hendon.

Police recruiting has now changed, the course take approx two to three weeks of the training at Hendon, which takes approx 28/30 weeks - which is a brilliant college to go to.

To join the police service is a fantastic opportunity and worthwhile career, l enjoyed every minute of my 16 years as a special constable, I am now 61 years old, but if l had the chance again to walk the streets of London to prevent crime and help the community, then l would jumped at it.

This is why l will alwayws support the police service 100% in what they do and achieve, and if they ever (which l dont think they will) decided to go on strike - then l would support them still.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I can assure you that my son is paying for a course, it saves on the training at Hendon.

There is a book that you have to buy, and its approx inch and half thick and you have to read it, and then go on the course, then you go for an exam that takes you onto Hendon.

Police recruiting has now changed, the course take approx two to three weeks of the training at Hendon, which takes approx 28/30 weeks - which is a brilliant college to go to.

To join the police service is a fantastic opportunity and worthwhile career, l enjoyed every minute of my 16 years as a special constable, I am now 61 years old, but if l had the chance again to walk the streets of London to prevent crime and help the community, then l would jumped at it.

This is why l will alwayws support the police service 100% in what they do and achieve, and if they ever (which l dont think they will) decided to go on strike - then l would support them still.

Is that coarse that he is paying for voluntary ??

[nomadking]

If such a course is used to sidestep staying at Hendon, it is still an optional route. I checked the Met's website and there is no mention of pre-Hendon courses at all.

Assessment exercises include:

• A Competency-Based Structured Interview with 4 questions lasting 20 minutes in total
• A Numerical Ability Test lasting 23 minutes
• A Verbal Ability Test lasting 30 minutes
• Two written exercises lasting 20 minutes each
• Four interactive exercises lasting 10 minutes each

Hardly sounds like 10 weeks worth.

City of London Police are not taking new recruits.

Please note, we are NOT accepting the transfer of CBQ or Assessment Centre results. This is unlikely to change for the foreseeable future. Please continue to check here for updates.

Is Google that difficult to use?

[Osem]

It's usually hard to know what Arthur's on about but I reckon he's referring to pre-entry college courses such as these.

http://www.emagister.co.uk/colleges/...dProvincia=415

These have to be paid for in the same way as any others do and the costs involved have nothing directly to do with the Police.

With some age, income and other exceptions, the days of free further and higher education are gone so if my son wants to do a course to help him progress into his choice of career I don't see why he shouldn't have to pay for it just like Arthur's.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Is Google that difficult to use?

It is when you are replying using a phone whilst on a coffee break at work.

---------- Post added at 17:19 ---------- Previous post was at 17:16 ----------

Originally Posted by nomadking

If such a course is used to sidestep staying at Hendon, it is still an optional route. I checked the Met's website and there is no mention of pre-Hendon courses at all.

Hardly sounds like 10 weeks worth.

City of London Police are not taking new recruits.


Is Google that difficult to use?

Originally Posted by Osem

It's usually hard to know what Arthur's on about but I reckon he's referring to pre-entry college courses such as these.

http://www.emagister.co.uk/colleges/...dProvincia=415

These have to be paid for in the same way as any others do and the costs involved have nothing directly to do with the Police.

You see i have never seen anything in the press about recruits having to pay for there training as a policemen and i certainley think there would be far more publicity about it.

If its voluntary then i don't see why Arthur is complaining.