08-02-2012, 10:09
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Looked at Apps
Bored last night so looked for perhaps the second time at the app`s. Sorry but why do they bother its a complete waste of time, slow, dull, in fact complete rubbish. Next time I will get a can of paint out,put some on a paper & watch it dry. Its got to be better than this. 
Tivo is the future.More chance of betamax making a come back .You must be kidding.
The only thing I thank the Tivo for, is a price drop.  No wonder they give them away / pay me to take one,its the only way to shift this overrated PVR. Yes it does the job ( just) but worth more - no way.
Sorry guys feel much better now. 
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08-02-2012, 11:04
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Re: Looked at Apps
Apps, which should be Tivo's best feature, are currently it's worst. I see no reason at all why they couldn't have loads of streaming channels available via apps, channels which don't appear on Virgin's channel line up but which are free to view over the internet. Russia Today and Deutsche Welle have both been mentioned on other threads-both are available as a free live stream on their respective websites. What is the actual difference between streaming this content to a laptop and displaying it via an HDMI cable on your TV and streaming the same content to a Tivo box via it's dedicated modem and displaying it via an HDMI cable on your TV?
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08-02-2012, 12:52
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Re: Looked at Apps
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Originally Posted by andy_m
Apps, which should be Tivo's best feature, are currently it's worst. I see no reason at all why they couldn't have loads of streaming channels available via apps, channels which don't appear on Virgin's channel line up but which are free to view over the internet. Russia Today and Deutsche Welle have both been mentioned on other threads-both are available as a free live stream on their respective websites. What is the actual difference between streaming this content to a laptop and displaying it via an HDMI cable on your TV and streaming the same content to a Tivo box via it's dedicated modem and displaying it via an HDMI cable on your TV?
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The difference is that if you view something via Tivo, the various website owners could see it as VM making money using their site. Think about it. You probably bought your laptop, so whoever sold it to you isn't making any money from it (unless you are paying in installments), but VM rent equipment to you and charge a monthly fee for Tivo on top of that, so they are (however indirectly) making money from the apps.
The websites will see it like that (especially if the apps bypass any ads on the site). So, unless VM come to some sort of arragnment with the site owners (which will probably involve a lot of money) then it's likely that the sites will eventually take action to block access via Tivo.
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08-02-2012, 13:30
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Re: Looked at Apps
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Originally Posted by Itshim
Bored last night so looked for perhaps the second time at the app`s. Sorry but why do they bother its a complete waste of time, slow, dull, in fact complete rubbish. Next time I will get a can of paint out,put some on a paper & watch it dry. Its got to be better than this.
Tivo is the future.More chance of betamax making a come back .You must be kidding.
The only thing I thank the Tivo for, is a price drop. No wonder they give them away / pay me to take one,its the only way to shift this overrated PVR. Yes it does the job ( just) but worth more - no way.
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The apps are utter tosh  in fact the whole box after the initial excitement is a rather dull experience.
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08-02-2012, 13:40
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Re: Looked at Apps
The Spotify App is great though IMO
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08-02-2012, 13:44
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Re: Looked at Apps
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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic
The Spotify App is great though IMO |
l will second that. 
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08-02-2012, 14:05
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Re: Looked at Apps
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Originally Posted by Stuart
The difference is that if you view something via Tivo, the various website owners could see it as VM making money using their site. Think about it. You probably bought your laptop, so whoever sold it to you isn't making any money from it (unless you are paying in installments), but VM rent equipment to you and charge a monthly fee for Tivo on top of that, so they are (however indirectly) making money from the apps.
The websites will see it like that (especially if the apps bypass any ads on the site). So, unless VM come to some sort of arragnment with the site owners (which will probably involve a lot of money) then it's likely that the sites will eventually take action to block access via Tivo.
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I'm not sure I see a significant difference between Virgin making money from the box they rent to me and Samsung making money from the computer they sold to me, but I accept that this is probably the reason why apps isn't being used in the way I think it should be.
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08-02-2012, 15:50
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Re: Looked at Apps
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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic
The Spotify App is great though IMO |
I quite like the Spotify app, but get alittle frustrated as there is no search function, which I find weird for a music app. I have starred 700+ songs to play what I like. Is there another way I'm missing? Also shuffle play?
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08-02-2012, 15:56
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Re: Looked at Apps
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Originally Posted by jobbie8
I quite like the Spotify app, but get alittle frustrated as there is no search function, which I find weird for a music app. I have starred 700+ songs to play what I like. Is there another way I'm missing? Also shuffle play?
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Not at the moment, no. Would be even better if they added those though
I've made loads of playlists and if you star artists then you can search for them on the App.
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08-02-2012, 17:07
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Re: Looked at Apps
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Originally Posted by andy_m
I'm not sure I see a significant difference between Virgin making money from the box they rent to me and Samsung making money from the computer they sold to me, but I accept that this is probably the reason why apps isn't being used in the way I think it should be.
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Look at it this way. Samsung don't make any money from you visiting sites on your laptop, and they don't really use the fact you can visit sites and view online video as a selling point (be honest, if the fact that it can play video and view websites is a major selling point for the laptop, it'd be a pretty pathetic laptop).
Tivo (at least) do use the apps as a selling point for the service, and they do earn money from it.
I will say though that Tivo does offer a pretty pathetic range of apps (a lot fewer than Samsung do on their TVs).
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08-02-2012, 17:50
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Re: Looked at Apps
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Originally Posted by Stuart
Look at it this way. Samsung don't make any money from you visiting sites on your laptop, and they don't really use the fact you can visit sites and view online video as a selling point (be honest, if the fact that it can play video and view websites is a major selling point for the laptop, it'd be a pretty pathetic laptop).
Tivo (at least) do use the apps as a selling point for the service, and they do earn money from it.
I will say though that Tivo does offer a pretty pathetic range of apps (a lot fewer than Samsung do on their TVs).
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Well it is a pretty poor laptop, but actually internet access and multimedia capabilities are selling points for computers and computer companies do make money from selling products which can access ad supported services, but I have software which means I don't see any of the ads you suggest might be bypassed by Tivo, so actually the only people who make anything out of me streaming live news from a website are those who sold me the computer and those who provide my broadband service. In fact, the result of using a computer or a Tivo would be exactly the same in the scenario I describe and if anything, a deal with Virgin might mean I have to be exposed to the ads which support them, something which very definitely is not the case on a computer.
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08-02-2012, 23:20
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Re: Looked at Apps
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Originally Posted by andy_m
I'm not sure I see a significant difference between Virgin making money from the box they rent to me and Samsung making money from the computer they sold to me, but I accept that this is probably the reason why apps isn't being used in the way I think it should be.
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Just look at the US where all the networks have stopped Hulu, Google TV and other streaming boxes from using their sites for customers to watch shows. There is a whole minefield of rights issues and companies see PCs and TV as two very different devices. They don't want you to watch web content on your TV TV content on your PC.
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11-02-2012, 11:23
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Re: Looked at Apps
Not sure if this is a relevant link for this thread but it is about apps and it also mentions ....
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A new version of the BBC News app is expected to launch in the first quarter of this year, followed by a BBC Sport app.
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Virgin Media chief hits out at criticism of TiVo app rollout
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11-02-2012, 11:30
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Re: Looked at Apps
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Bit contrasting from what they said on December 1st 2010
http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419...-tv-explosion/
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“We’re launching with a handful (of apps); within 12 months, we’ll have hundreds. We needed to start with the household names.” But the system is not yet so open that there is a software developers kit, nor a sense of what criteria for third parties’ admission should be - that will come in 2011.
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11-02-2012, 11:34
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Re: Looked at Apps
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l think this was something on the all things General TiVo thread but the trouble is there are over 6000 postings on there jog and going back to the news about the BBC apps the sooner they arrive the better as the apps rollout up to now has been too slow for my liking.
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