21-02-2008, 20:59
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Right or wrong
Shopkeeper charged with murder for protecting his shop, full story HERE The chap who lost his life was a career criminal with several convictions for armed robbery, I think he got what was coming to him to be honest.
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21-02-2008, 21:26
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Re: Right or wrong
"could face a murder charge" it states.
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21-02-2008, 21:46
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Re: Right or wrong
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Originally Posted by jkat
"could face a murder charge" it states.
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Yeah but it's in the Mail, so you can't expect people to notice little details like facts
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21-02-2008, 22:23
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Re: Right or wrong
This will be another case of
Weak on crime, Tuff on the victims of crime. You can bet the Human Rights Brigade will be lining up to defend the robber and demand that the victim be sent to jail for life. You can read it now "How dare that man defend himself against that innocent robber"
The fact that he might be charged just shows that you have to think twice about defending yourself and the possibility that someone will want you in court over it.
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But despite his injuries officers arrested the shaken have-a-go-hero and quizzed him on suspicion of murder.
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Police found Mr Singh by his Ford Focus nursing knife wounds to his back and neck. Despite his injuries, he was detained at the scene on suspicion of murder. Then, after being treated in hospital, he was questioned for several hours.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/7253901.stm
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21-02-2008, 22:29
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Re: Right or wrong
He should be given a medal for getting another ****-bag off the streets.
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21-02-2008, 22:29
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Re: Right or wrong
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
Yeah but it's in the Mail,SNIP!!
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So what if its the mail its no better or worse than any over tabloid.
Let me simplify it for you.
Man get attacked by robber.
Robber ends up dying.
Man gets reported to CPS just to see if there is a case to answer to.
Now call me stupid but he defended himself, the attacker got stuck by his own knife and died where is the justice in trying to see if there is a case to bring towards the man who got attacked. The only justice in this is that the victim survived and the attacker died, good ridance to crap.
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21-02-2008, 22:36
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Re: Right or wrong
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Originally Posted by alferret
So what if its the mail its no better or worse than any over tabloid.
Let me simplify it for you.
Man get attacked by robber.
Robber ends up dying.
Man gets reported to CPS just to see if there is a case to answer to.
Now call me stupid but he defended himself, the attacker got stuck by his own knife and died where is the justice in trying to see if there is a case to bring towards the man who got attacked. The only justice in this is that the victim survived and the attacker died, good riddance to crap.
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I can bet you now that
A. A certain poster in this thread will attack my post. he knows who he is.
B. The robber will be defended by those who do not agree with normal people being allowed to defend themselves when attacked by ******* robbers.
C. Someone will ask what about the robbers human rights ?
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21-02-2008, 22:38
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Re: Right or wrong
I know its not right to take someone's life, but maybe fate intervened on this one. He wasn't a very nice guy by all accounts  Live by the sword and all that.....
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21-02-2008, 22:40
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Re: Right or wrong
How did the police find his body, it can't have been travelling fast enough for a ticket?
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21-02-2008, 22:42
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Re: Right or wrong
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Yeah but it's in the Mail, so you can't expect people to notice little details like facts 
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Yep the fact is he was attacked.
The fact is that during the attack the ROBBER died
The fact is that the CPS has been asked to look at charging the shopkeeper who defended himself with Murder.
I don't think it matter's one bit which paper its in or is it that because its in a paper you don't like, Then its not news worthy enough for you to bother with ?
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How did the police find his body, it can't have been travelling fast enough for a ticket? 
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21-02-2008, 22:44
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Re: Right or wrong
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Originally Posted by jkat
"could face a murder charge" it states.
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True. Seeing as the robber also had the knife, so was obviously ready to attack the shopkeeper. I would have thought that even if the court didn't consider this at the start, any competent barrister would bring it up..
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21-02-2008, 22:44
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Re: Right or wrong
Robber got what he deserved and good riddance to very bad rubbish and the shopkeeper should have gone straight to hospital got his wounds treated and then taken home. Case to answer too for the love of god the shopkeeper had wounds to his neck and cheast and the attacker was well known for armed robbery. This is such a statement of the UK at the minute and it makes me sick this guy was going about his business he didn't ask scumly to come in and rob him but by god we will make him suffer as he had the bare faced cheek to defend himself.
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21-02-2008, 22:48
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Re: Right or wrong
He hasn't been charged though... just questioned & then released on bail pending further enquiries.
Right or wrong, someone did die after all, so they *do* have to look into it.
I would class myself as part of the "liberal do gooder tree hugging Guardian reading human rights brigade" if such a thing existed (I don't have a beard or sandals though), however I think that if the shopkeeper stabbed the guy while defending himself then he has done nothing wrong. As it was the robber's own knife, & the shopkeeper also had stab wounds, then it would seem to me very likely that it was self-defence & that perhaps the robber got stabbed during a struggle over the knife.
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21-02-2008, 22:52
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Re: Right or wrong
Ah your a sensible one then Matt don't worry the less sensible will be along soon enough  .
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21-02-2008, 22:54
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Re: Right or wrong
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Originally Posted by Matt D
He hasn't been charged though... just questioned & then released on bail pending further enquiries.
Right or wrong, someone did die after all, so they *do* have to look into it.
I would class myself as part of the "liberal do gooder tree hugging Guardian reading human rights brigade" if such a thing existed (I don't have a beard or sandals though), however I think that if the shopkeeper stabbed the guy while defending himself then he has done nothing wrong. As it was the robber's own knife, & the shopkeeper also had stab wounds, then it would seem to me very likely that it was self-defence & that perhaps the robber got stabbed during a struggle over the knife.
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Unfortunately Matt It is a sad state of affairs when someone who is defending himself is even considered for a murder charge.
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing
Ah your a sensible one then Matt don't worry the less sensible will be along soon enough  .
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Yep i will be able to read all the posts defending the robber when i get up in the morning.
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