[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU - Page 9

**Damien** · 23-06-2015, 13:19

The head of No is proposing another referendum over the terms of exit in the event of them winning the referendum: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeeh...o-referendums/

The idea being that it would prevent the No vote being a risk as you'll always be able to vote again in a few months whereas Yes would be final. Another way of looking at it is that they don't have the power not the obligation to actually hold another referendum and may take that No vote as final.

Plus it's bloody stupid and just prolongs the amount of time spent dealing with this issue. Like the Scottish Referendum we should make a decision then get on with it. We can't spend the years obsessing over Europe.

Osem · 23-06-2015, 13:49

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Originally Posted by Damien

The head of No is proposing another referendum over the terms of exit in the event of them winning the referendum: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeeh...o-referendums/

The idea being that it would prevent the No vote being a risk as you'll always be able to vote again in a few months whereas Yes would be final. Another way of looking at it is that they don't have the power not the obligation to actually hold another referendum and may take that No vote as final.

Plus it's bloody stupid and just prolongs the amount of time spent dealing with this issue. Like the Scottish Referendum we should make a decision then get on with it. We can't spend the years obsessing over Europe.

We've been doing that ever since we found out we hadn't just signed up for EEC but had been dragged into the EU behind our backs. I'm not sure the Scottish referendum has been laid to rest either.

There's no easy or risk free way to proceed on this and the stakes are high. I wish I had some certainty as to the best way forward but I don't. It'd be a good sign if the EU had shown itself to be anything other than intransigent over reform but here we are, decades later, still waiting for reform of stuff like the CAP. As with issues like the Greece crisis, the EU's MO seems to be to equivocate and procrastinate on important matters as often and for as long as possible. They're like a giant version of TFL! Can an organisation like this be ever be reformed in an orderly manner? I have my doubts and I think that's what a lot of people who'll vote to leave will cite as their reasoning.

Julian · 25-06-2015, 18:24

Uh Oh

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David Cameron has accepted there may be no change to the EU's treaties to accommodate Britain's demands ahead of a referendum, the BBC understands.

denphone · 25-06-2015, 18:27

The problems appear to be mounting up quite quickly for him.

Osem · 25-06-2015, 19:07

I'd say the problems are mounting up for the EU. We're a net contributor remember.

Sirius · 25-06-2015, 19:55

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I'd say the problems are mounting up for the EU. We're a net contributor remember.

I wish we could vote tomorrow and get it over and done with. The sooner we leave the sooner we get control of our borders back and don't have to hand over all that bloody money to the EU.

Ignitionnet · 25-06-2015, 22:01

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I wish we could vote tomorrow and get it over and done with. The sooner we leave the sooner we get control of our borders back and don't have to hand over all that bloody money to the EU.

If we voted tomorrow it would be a 'Yes' to staying in by somewhere between 60-40 and 65-35.

denphone · 26-06-2015, 05:24

That's the way l see it as well despite a very vocal minority wanting us to pull out of the EU.

Sirius · 26-06-2015, 05:47

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That's the way l see it as well despite a very vocal minority wanting us to pull out of the EU.

Minority my rear end

heero_yuy · 26-06-2015, 09:03

If Cameron comes back saying he's got everything he asked for I'll say he didn't ask for enough.

Minority? Polls have been wrong before.

**Damien** · 26-06-2015, 09:53

I have been trying to work out how solid the numbers are. I think Yes will get a lot of Scotland, Wales and London so that would help. Also don't under estimate the fear factor. If people are generally happy with their prospects and current situation then they'll probably go the option of least change.

Sirius · 26-06-2015, 10:10

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Originally Posted by Damien

I have been trying to work out how solid the numbers are. I think Yes will get a lot of Scotland, Wales and London so that would help. Also don't under estimate the fear factor. If people are generally happy with their prospects and current situation then they'll probably go the option of least change.

What the yes campaign will not want is for us to have a quota forced on us by our EU overlords. If we are forced to take a large amount of these people coming from the Middle East and Africa and if it’s around the vote time then it could sway a lot of people to the No vote.

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Also don't under estimate the fear factor.

Thats where the immigration card will be used you can bet.

denphone · 26-06-2015, 16:13

David Cameron plans EU campaign focusing on 'risky' impact of UK exit.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...impact-uk-exit

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David Cameron has set himself the “firm aim” of keeping Britain in the EU after running a referendum campaign that will focus on the “risky” consequences of a British exit, according to a leaked document of the prime minister’s negotiations.

Ignitionnet · 26-06-2015, 16:58

I believe Douglas Carswell told us exactly this quite some time ago.

This should be a surprise to no-one.

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Originally Posted by Damien

I have been trying to work out how solid the numbers are. I think Yes will get a lot of Scotland, Wales and London so that would help. Also don't under estimate the fear factor. If people are generally happy with their prospects and current situation then they'll probably go the option of least change.

Given the damage the CFP has done to Scotland's fishing industry I have no idea whatsoever why they are so pro-EU.

Wales I do get to an extent - they get £££ from the EU.

London it's obvious. It's a nation where half the population were not British born, and is full of the kind of big corporates that benefit from the EU's corporatist nature.

Osem · 26-06-2015, 17:30

It's up to Cameron to decide what he thinks it's right. It's up to us to decide whether we agree...