Pandemic (Swine) Flu - Page 9

jamiefrost · 28-04-2009, 08:14

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Originally Posted by chaos23

You can laugh, why don't you do some research.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=13351

http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com...-18-countries/

http://preventdisease.com/news/09/031109_baxter.shtml

Sorry but that is not research, looking up somebodies crackpot theory is just not research. All it is is somebody's opinion, not even an unbiased one at that.

'mixing a live virus biological weapon with vaccine material by accident is virtually impossible.'

Sudenly H5N1 is a biological weapon

JJ

**Damien** · 28-04-2009, 08:21

Of course a mix is possible? Do the people who right these sites have no scientific knowledge? Oh wait...

Osem · 28-04-2009, 09:06

Oh joy! Gordon Brown reckons the UK is one of the best placed countries to deal with the possible flu pandemic. Now where have I heard that before......

**Damien** · 28-04-2009, 09:24

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Originally Posted by Osem

Oh joy! Gordon Brown reckons the UK is one of the best placed countries to deal with the possible flu pandemic. Now where have I heard that before......

Not just him, The WHO said Britain and France were the best placed to deal with it. Apparently it's because of the level of preparation for Bird Flu the government undertook a few years ago. We have a ratio of the medication at 1 for every 2 people in the UK, Practises and Training in place for each stage of the pandemic (should it occur). Apparently we also have 'first dips' on a vaccine as soon as it's developed.

Raistlin · 28-04-2009, 09:27

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Originally Posted by Damien

Not just him, The WHO said Britain and France were the best placed.

.....and if anybody should know, it's going to be Roger Daltry

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Osem · 28-04-2009, 09:29

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Originally Posted by Damien

Not just him, The WHO said Britain and France were the best placed. Apparently it's because of the level of preparation for Bird Flu the government undertook a few years ago. We have a ratio of the medication at 1 for every 2 people in the UK, Practises and Training in place for each stage of the pandemic (should it occur). Apparently we also have 'first dips' on a vaccine as soon as it's developed.

Well let's hope their record (when it comes to knowing what they're talking about) is a lot better than his!

However, so many major events in the UK seem to quickly degenerate into a shambles that I'm afraid I'll reserve judgement on how we'll cope if it comes to the worst...

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Originally Posted by Rob M

.....and if anybody should know, it's going to be Roger Daltry

Well I'd be more likely to believe them than Gordon Brown!!

28-04-2009, 09:35

Well if we have learnt nothing else in this thread Rob has shown his age a little

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slug · 28-04-2009, 09:47

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Originally Posted by Osem

However, so many major events in the UK seem to quickly degenerate into a shambles that I'm afraid I'll reserve judgement on how we'll cope if it comes to the worst...

I dont know if I would agree with that.

Could you provide examples of ".. so many major events in the UK seem to quickly degenerate into a shambles ..."

SOSAGES · 28-04-2009, 10:02

my trip to florida in late May is looking fun

Osem · 28-04-2009, 10:12

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Originally Posted by slug

I dont know if I would agree with that.

Could you provide examples of ".. so many major events in the UK seem to quickly degenerate into a shambles ..."

How about the last time it snowed?.. and the time before that and the time before that...

slug · 28-04-2009, 10:28

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Originally Posted by Osem

How about the last time it snowed?.. and the time before that and the time before that...

Hmmm...not really. I am London based and it was certainly the worst snow I had ever seen. Transport was stuffed for a day or so but not bad for a 1 in 30 year event. It was said at the time that the cost of being prepared for such a rare event was not worth it. I think generally when it comes to planning (or deciding not to plan) its one of the thing we are quite good at. We love our paper work.

**Damien** · 28-04-2009, 10:33

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Originally Posted by Osem

How about the last time it snowed?.. and the time before that and the time before that...

Well the serious snow was 20 years apart, I don't think Labour or the London Mayor could be blamed for that tbh. It's not as if it were a common occurrence.

Osem · 28-04-2009, 10:40

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Originally Posted by Damien

Well the serious snow was 20 years apart, I don't think Labour or the London Mayor could be blamed for that tbh. It's not as if it were a common occurrence.

This year's snow was the worst for years but there are varying degrees of chaos virtually every time we have significant snow in this country - even in London where I live. When was the last flu pandemic? They're not exactly common events either but using that as an excuse if things go seriously wrong won't be much comfort to all the dead will it. Surely the acid test when it comes to disaster planning is to be able to respond effectively when the unexpected worst happens, not just when you've got notice.

This sort of thing doesn't inspire much confidence either!

I certainly believe we're a lot better off than many countries around the world but am I confident that the NHS will handle a flu pandemic as effectively as it should?..... Sorry, I have grave doubts.

danielf · 28-04-2009, 10:42

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Originally Posted by Damien

Well the serious snow was 20 years apart, I don't think Labour or the London Mayor could be blamed for that tbh. It's not as if it were a common occurrence.

What's more, Osem would probably be the first to complain about the massive waste of money if we were to prepare for such snow fall every year...

**Damien** · 28-04-2009, 10:46

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Originally Posted by Osem

This year's snow was the worst for years but there are varying degrees of chaos virtually every time we have significant snow in this country - even in London where I live. When when was the last flu pandemic? They're not exactly common events either but using that as an excuse if things go seriously wrong won't be much comfort to all the dead will it. Surely the acid test when it comes to disaster planning is to be able to respond effectively when the worst happens, not just pray it doesn't.

This sort of thing doesn't inspire much confidence either!

Well they have good planning by all objective methods, the quality of planning is decided by the facts on the ground and not the popularity of the party in power.

Of course we can't be sure how well we deal with it until it happens but we are beyond 'praying it does not'.

I think 7/7 was the last major problem we have had and the response was considered good all things considered. There were problems afterwards, and questions on intelligence and prevention, but the emergency services were excellent overall.