PM Boris forms a government

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

One problem I foresee with No Deal being seen as the cleanest Brexit is that any future trade deal will likely require some reintegration with the European Union. Whether it's regulation, some laws including special privileges for European citizens or less rigorous customs checks.

What is going to happen when these details come out as part of future trade negotiations?

The "No to no-deal" people(ie remain side) insist on accepting whatever the EU says, with no negotiation allowed.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The "No to no-deal" people(ie remain side) insist on accepting whatever the EU says, with no negotiation allowed.

It's not really accepting what the EU say because it's the EU. It is more a case of accepting reality over fantasy.

Originally Posted by Damien

One problem I foresee with No Deal being seen as the cleanest Brexit is that any future trade deal will likely require some reintegration with the European Union. Whether it's regulation, some laws including special privileges for European citizens or less rigorous customs checks.

What is going to happen when these details come out as part of future trade negotiations?

It’s better for the EU to have to ask for them to be put on the table, rather than being able to argue for continuation of the status quo. For us to threaten to diverge from regulations we previously agreed to be bound by is perhaps a less credible negotiating tactic than proving our willingness to cut loose and then being willing to come to a mutually beneficial arrangement based on a mutually acceptable degree of integration.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Chris

It’s better for the EU to have to ask for them to be put on the table, rather than being able to argue for continuation of the status quo. For us to threaten to diverge from regulations we previously agreed to be bound by is perhaps a less credible negotiating tactic than proving our willingness to cut loose and then being willing to come to a mutually beneficial arrangement based on a mutually acceptable degree of integration.

No matter who we trade with in the future any exports will have to meet or exceed the requirements of that country, that is for manufacturing to decide who they wish to export to. Alternatively as the British kite mark used to be accepted almost worldwide a return to that standard of excellence if done correctly should suit most countries.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by pip08456

No matter who we trade with in the future any exports will have to meet or exceed the requirements of that country, that is for manufacturing to decide who they wish to export to. Alternatively as the British kite mark used to be accepted almost worldwide a return to that standard of excellence if done correctly should suit most countries.

All countries around the world have to conform to the rules of the import country. Nothing new.

The EU and ECJ are responsible for the imports to the EU, and the UK should be responsible for imports to the UK. What is problematic or controversial about that? It will take time before any divergence in rules and regulations to take place, and then it is most likely to be the EU(ie Germany) driving any changes.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

One problem I foresee with No Deal being seen as the cleanest Brexit is that any future trade deal will likely require some reintegration with the European Union. Whether it's regulation, some laws including special privileges for European citizens or less rigorous customs checks.

What is going to happen when these details come out as part of future trade negotiations?

How so? We are talking about a trade deal. What other trade deals are you aware of that require such integration?

Absolutely no way. We will be negotiating as an independent country. The EU will no longer have any hold over us.

Boris knows this, and it is what the ERG have been claiming for quite a while now.

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Originally Posted by jfman

It's not really accepting what the EU say because it's the EU. It is more a case of accepting reality over fantasy.

I don't recall Canada accepting such integration.

Originally Posted by pip08456

No matter who we trade with in the future any exports will have to meet or exceed the requirements of that country, that is for manufacturing to decide who they wish to export to. Alternatively as the British kite mark used to be accepted almost worldwide a return to that standard of excellence if done correctly should suit most countries.

Not quite true - trade deals commonly involve mutual recognition of standards, not forcing products to conform to the precise standards of the market they’re being sold into. That’s one of the reasons a trade deal between the UK and the EU should be straightforward, even if we’ve technically cut loose from single market rules. There isn’t going to be any significant divergence in just a few years so a deal based on recognition, rather than conformity, should not be difficult to accept.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don't recall Canada accepting such integration.

I'm not sure smuggling goods into the European Union across the Atlantic Ocean is as cost effective as across the British partition on the island of Ireland.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

One problem I foresee with No Deal being seen as the cleanest Brexit is that any future trade deal will likely require some reintegration with the European Union. Whether it's regulation, some laws including special privileges for European citizens or less rigorous customs checks.

What is going to happen when these details come out as part of future trade negotiations?

Exactly.
The question is whether we negotiate from a position of strength with access to the biggest market in the world with the EEA plus the largest number of trade deals in the world (eg Vietnam, Israel, Canada, South Africa, Korea, Chile, Turkey, Argentina, Morocco, Mexico, Puru, Barbados, Seychelles).
Or whether we negotiate from a position of weakness with no deals in place.
I know which I would prefer to do.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Exactly.
The question is whether we negotiate from a position of strength with access to the biggest market in the world with the EEA plus the largest number of trade deals in the world (eg Vietnam, Israel, Canada, South Africa, Korea, Chile, Turkey, Argentina, Morocco, Mexico, Puru, Barbados, Seychelles).
Or whether we negotiate from a position of weakness with no deals in place.
I know which I would prefer to do.

So far the UK has agreed "continuity" deals with 12 countries and regions. These are:

Central America (signed 18 July)
Andean countries (15 May)
Norway and Iceland (2 April)
Caribbean countries (22 March)
Pacific Islands (14 March)
Liechtenstein (28 February)
Israel (18 February)
Palestinian Authority (18 February)
Switzerland (11 February)
The Faroe Islands (1 February)
Eastern and Southern Africa (31 January)
Chile (30 January)

In addition, the UK has also announced a deal in principle with South Korea, which is "expected to be signed shortly".

35 countries in total.

We are not doing too bad from a position of weakness.

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[jfman]

The Palestinian Authority. The thriving economy that it is.

[Mr K]

Looks like the EU have rejected Boris backstop demand (again), now there's a surprise ! We blink again and again and they remain steadfast.

He has no plan, being PM and just trying to muddle through seemed to be about it. What a plonker.

No deal is a bluff and he's been found out.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Looks like the EU have rejected Boris backstop demand (again), now there's a surprise ! We blink again and again and they remain steadfast.

He has no plan, being PM and just trying to muddle through seemed to be about it. What a plonker.

No deal is a bluff and he's been found out.

You'll find out if bluff or not on 31st October.

Backstop rejected
Election called after no-deal
DUP lose leverage
Border in the Irish Sea.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by pip08456

You'll find out if bluff or not on 31st October.

Yes trick or treat or begged for extension

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Originally Posted by Damien

Backstop rejected
Election called after no-deal
DUP lose leverage
Border in the Irish Sea.

+ Tories blamed for chaos and Corbyn PM, a price worth paying ?