*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Kevin

if i effed off thats about what i come to expect from ntl, i originally was sold an uncapped service allowing me to "download movies like spiderman" hehehe its brilliant this ntl, no one has a clue what they are doing..
yeah i can jump ship to ukonline without any probs but ill do that when im ready not when you say im ready...but thanks for the tip....

As I have often said (repeatedly in this thread) - if you don't like the way NTL operate, then there ARE other ISPs who offer a similar (or better) service. That's the wonderful thing about our economy, it encourages competition.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Bill C

Have you ever noticed there seems to be a lot of 1 time posters that turn up throw a tizzy fit and you never see them again. ? I sometimes wonder if they are the same person setting up multiple name and logins just so they can troll ?. Must get cold under the bridge now and then

I have noticed that quite a few times. Sometimes when a poster is losing an argument there suddenly are a few new members suddenly pop up to back him up. i first noticed that when one member, forget who, who was a poor speller, bad at grammar and didn't know puntuation existed suddenly had two new members backing him up and they both had the same dictionary and grammatical skills. It's easy to do and untraceable if they use dial-up accounts with different ISPs for each of their logins.

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

I have noticed that quite a few times. Sometimes when a poster is losing an argument there suddenly are a few new members suddenly pop up to back him up. i first noticed that when one member, forget who, who was a poor speller, bad at grammar and didn't know puntuation existed suddenly had two new members backing him up and they both had the same dictionary and grammatical skills. It's easy to do and untraceable if they use dial-up accounts with different ISPs for each of their logins.

Ian - I think MI5 used the same techniques to link IRA press releases with the same person who does press releases for Sinn Fien which brings me to the question... are you retired MI5?

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

Ian - I think MI5 used the same techniques to link IRA press releases with the same person who does press releases for Sinn Fien which brings me to the question... are you retired MI5?

The Official Secrets Act prevents me from answering that question.

That's the beauty/failing of the internet, nobody knows who they are talking to on the net, what they do, why they are there and what they know.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

I have noticed that quite a few times. Sometimes when a poster is losing an argument there suddenly are a few new members suddenly pop up to back him up. i first noticed that when one member, forget who, who was a poor speller, bad at grammar and didn't know puntuation existed suddenly had two new members backing him up and they both had the same dictionary and grammatical skills. It's easy to do and untraceable if they use dial-up accounts with different ISPs for each of their logins.

I have noticed (in the past - not today when I have power to do something about it) that certain posters phrase things the same way as other posters. I have also found that humans do tend to have a fairly unique way of writing (for instance, I don't phrase things the same way as Marina, who doesn't phrase things the same way as Chris T). If two posters have a very similar way of phrasing posts, then that can indicate they are the same person.

However, it's not really proof, but is an indication.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by scastle

I have noticed (in the past - not today when I have power to do something about it) that certain posters phrase things the same way as other posters. I have also found that humans do tend to have a fairly unique way of writing (for instance, I don't phrase things the same way as Marina, who doesn't phrase things the same way as Chris T). If two posters have a very similar way of phrasing posts, then that can indicate they are the same person.

However, it's not really proof, but is an indication.

But what could you do about it? As you say it's not really proof and impossible to ascertain from the IPs used.

[Kevin]

Taken from :- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4333897.stm

Cable firms ntl and Telewest are also bound to increase bandwidth at some time in the future and, according to an ntl spokesman, are in a better position than BT long term.

"BT's network is limited compared to that of cable. With all the other services coming on stream such as video on demand, the question is will 8MB be enough?" he asked.

With a 1gb a day cap it will be plenty.....

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

But what could you do about it? As you say it's not really proof and impossible to ascertain from the IPs used.

That's the problem. It's a way of identifying a problem, but not a way of doing anything about it.

[Kevin]

Why would anyone bother tho, its not like this place is the be all and end all, maybe you will find that the customers are genuinely p*ssed off with the cap...and as first time posters want to register their objectons....ho hum!

[dirtydog]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Taken from :- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4333897.stm

Whoever wrote that BBC article doesn't know the difference between Mb and MB.. 8MB would indeed be pretty quick

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Why would anyone bother tho, its not like this place is the be all and end all, maybe you will find that the customers are genuinely p*ssed off with the cap...end as first time posters want to register their objectons....ho hum!

One possible reason to bother is to get an idea of how many people are actually opposed to the idea. It's entirely possible one person could register five accounts to complain. This would, of course, distort the figures as it would appear that 5 people are against it when in reality there is only one.

I don't think, however, that a sample as small as the membership of this forum is very representative of the bulk of NTL customers. Not that I am saying this forum has a small membership. Far from it. It's just that it only has a few thousand members, and NTL has over 1 million broadband customers.

BTW, are customers geniunly p*ssed off with the cap? I was on nthw.com when the first cap was leaked and a lot of people threatened to leave NTL, and are still here. I suspect the 3Gig per month cap will cause some customers problems, but I doubt the 1 Gig a day cap will cause problems. At the moment anyway. I am sure that NTL when they revise the speeds in future will consider upping the cap as well.

[Kevin]

There is a difference tho between now and then with regards to people leaving because of the cap, then it was something just slipped into the AUP one day without any warning. They said it would not be actively applied but used to throw users off abusing the system, nothing much came of it.

Now however they are saying that they are going to apply it, how rigorously they will do this no one knows. The problem is everyone kind of accepted it at the time that the ntl needed a get out clause to boot those off if the network was suffering, now however its about how much data you use.

In the days of dial up everyone limited how much they were on the phone for fears of horrendous phone bills, they moved slowly off onto broadband as it was rolled out with the promise of never having to watch the clock and it was such a massive change of use for the everyday user.. Now it seems we are returning to those days...Its such a kick in the teeth.

And they will lose users if its enforced how many no one knows.

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Why would anyone bother tho, its not like this place is the be all and end all, maybe you will find that the customers are genuinely p*ssed off with the cap...and as first time posters want to register their objectons....ho hum!

I wonder
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Originally Posted by Kevin

Now however they are saying that they are going to apply it, how rigorously they will do this no one knows. The problem is everyone kind of accepted it at the time that the ntl needed a get out clause to boot those off if the network was suffering, now however its about how much data you use.

I must have missed that....

Where have NTL said they will apply the 1gig a day guideline apart from where your over use impacts on others??

They have said the 1m cap will be enforced later this year but AFAIK 2&3mb remain as was.

[cookie_365]

My mum used to say that she listened to the Archers to remind herself of how much she hated it ...

And it seems that there must be quite a lot of people who subscribe to NTL BB just to remind themselves how much they hate it, given the number of posters to this site who claim that NTL are crap, AcmeCom offer better, faster, uncapped BB for less money, one letter from NTL about the usage policy & they're off, etc, etc, etc, yet mysteriously remain ....

[scrotnig]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Why would anyone bother tho, its not like this place is the be all and end all, maybe you will find that the customers are genuinely p*ssed off with the cap...

And on the other hand, armed with the DATA and the FACTS, maybe you'll find they're not.

I have never heard such overwhelmingly positive comments coming from customers as I do at the moment. This speed upgrade has returned a real 'feel good factor' among many customers. And that's a fact too.

Sure, some people don't like caps. Come to think of it, I don't either. But even *I* am not the type of customer that makes up the overwhelming majority. As it happens, the current cap is fine for my needs on 3mb. But even if it wasn't, the company won't really care as my needs are not typical of the market they are aiming at.
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Originally Posted by Kevin

There is a difference tho between now and then with regards to people leaving because of the cap, then it was something just slipped into the AUP one day without any warning. They said it would not be actively applied but used to throw users off abusing the system, nothing much came of it.

Now however they are saying that they are going to apply it, how rigorously they will do this no one knows. The problem is everyone kind of accepted it at the time that the ntl needed a get out clause to boot those off if the network was suffering, now however its about how much data you use.

In the days of dial up everyone limited how much they were on the phone for fears of horrendous phone bills, they moved slowly off onto broadband as it was rolled out with the promise of never having to watch the clock and it was such a massive change of use for the everyday user.. Now it seems we are returning to those days...Its such a kick in the teeth.

And they will lose users if its enforced how many no one knows.

If you talk metered broadband then I agree with you, but this isn't. At least, not yet.