Ban smoking in cars, says British Medical Association

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Cheaper fags?

Yeh, but you've give up now. sorry

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

To answer Stuart the study that showed eliquid to be more dangerous then tobacco has now been completely discredited although it is still trotted out often by those with an agenda towards ecigarettes. Reason why they can't start producing themselves is because that would show they have been lying about ecigs for the last few years and in the case of big pharma ecigs although supported by many medical professionals are not part of any smoking cessation program whilst nrt products by big pharma are and are sold to the NHS at massive profit.

If buying from reputable suppliers there are generally five ingredients propylene glycol which is in many things people ingest daily and is also used in some hospitals as an air sanitizer through air systems, vegetable glycerine also ingested daily by many millions in one form or another, water though not in all liquid, flavouring food grade already approved and on sale freely and nicotine base liquid usually in PG or VG pending on the type of vaper. There are studies being done on the effects of ecigarettes and eliquid and obviously it's going to be some time before we have a definitive answer but most independents will say that the likelihood of ecigarettes being anywhere near as harmful as tobacco are remote. There is an organisation called casaa where you can read up for more info I'm far from an expert on the subject.

Every smoker I know doesn't smoke in their cars when children are present neither do they smoke in their homes when children are there I know not all smokers are that considerate but more are then are not that needs to be remembered.

I'll be honest, I am neither pro or anti e cigarettes. I don't smoke anyway, but I know giving up smoking is hard and I think people should go for what works for them.

I am concerned that the e cigarette market is largely unregulated at the moment, so people *could* be using pretty much anything in their fluids. The BMA is also concerned about the lack of regulation for e cigs, but their concern seems largely that people will gradually start to accept e cigs, and work their way back to accepting normal cigarettes. http://bma.org.uk/working-for-change...o/e-cigarettes

Regarding the ban on smoking in cars. I actually feel this is a good thing, but fail to see how it can be enforced efficiently.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Stuart

but their concern seems largely that people will gradually start to accept e cigs, and work their way back to accepting normal cigarettes.

Where does it say that? I can't see it.

One thing I did find I can't make sense of.

There is also no evidence to suggest that the increase in use of smokeless tobacco products, as a substitute for smoking, that has occurred in other countries, will occur in the UK.

I've read it slowly but still can't make sense of it. as if something has been missed out.

No evidence to suggest that more people will take up smoking electronic cigs rather than smoke real ones?

How can they say that?
Why would they say that?

Both the UK and USA ecigarette industry has called for regulation and has put forward many suggestions for how to regulate the industry most reputable suppliers already have declarations that no one under the age of 18 should enter their sites or purchase ecig related products. China of course is another matter but aren't they in everything lol but you don't see Samsung and apple to name but two products be banned. Smoking in cars ban is not something I'd go along for but then as stated earlier all the smokers I know are responsible and considerate.

[Gary L]

It's back in the news again. ready for October.

they're gonna get it in whilst society is in the mood for dobbing each other in and wanting to rip each others heads off.

you'll be sitting at the lights and you'll see a woman smoking with a 'kid' up to 18 in the car. and you'll be shouting all sorts of swear words and getting out and beating her to a pulp because the new turn society against each other has come in.

should be fun at the school runs.
women in their pyjamas rolling around the floor with each other.

[denphone]

Oh Gary you do dramatise things sometimes.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by denphone

Oh Gary you do dramatise things sometimes.

Ok. ignore the pyjamas and rolling around on the floor bit.

[Pauls9]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Ok. ignore the pyjamas and rolling around on the floor bit.

Damn - that was the bit I was looking forward to.

[Gary L]

We all were

[Taf]

What happens if the smoking passenger is under 18?

[Gary L]

The government wins £50 off the driver.

I don't know what happens if all 4 chavs under 18 in the car are smoking.

I reckon because there's concerns about the police are too busy and such. I reckon Dave will come up with an idea of creating jobs by employing 'smoke wardens'
they will be looking out for offenders all over the country.

I just thought. Dave will be long gone when this comes in.
change Dave for Nigel above.

and taking bets on whether the one in the pink spots pyjamas will win the chequered blue pyjama's fight.

[Stuart]

I just like the idea that they are calling for smoking to be banned in the car while barely acknowledging the fact that people are not only breathing in the smoke inside the car, but also breathing in all sorts of potentially dangerous pollution that's coming from both the car you are in, and all the other cars around it.

To totally mangle an old expression, it seems a little like fixing the barn door not only after your horse has bolted, but while the rest of the herd are bolting through the hole in the barn wall you are ignoring.

[Gary L]

That's why I'm campaigning for high taxes placed on cars by way of including the tax on top of the price of petrol.

the money raised can go towards the NHS in treating everybody that has suffered the effects of pollution from vehicles and such.

the taxes will deter people from owning a car and walking everywhere.
God didn't give us legs just to walk to and from cars.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Stuart

I just like the idea that they are calling for smoking to be banned in the car while barely acknowledging the fact that people are not only breathing in the smoke inside the car, but also breathing in all sorts of potentially dangerous pollution that's coming from both the car you are in, and all the other cars around it.

To totally mangle an old expression, it seems a little like fixing the barn door not only after your horse has bolted, but while the rest of the herd are bolting through the hole in the barn wall you are ignoring.

a good traffic jam must be worth 100 fags

[Taf]

So it passed as a law in Wales yesterday, very quietly so as to not disturb the public.

And the wedge continues to be driven in against smoking (and vaping).

Smoking could be banned in parks, sports grounds, playing fields, car parks and one beach in Pembrokeshire.

E-cigarettes would also be banned under the plans to be discussed on Thursday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-s...wales-32995441