Upstream Traffic Management Trial 1st of February

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

I thought you said thanks to ANFP BT weren't getting more than ~60-80mbps in the lab?

Yes, but I'm talking here per pair and the above didn't include the impact of vectoring or implementing a 3rd phantom circuit.

The vectoring helps nicely, between that, bonding another pair and phantom pair use FTTC will manage 100Mbps / 25Mbps for most.

[linwelin]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

'Be' have nowhere near Virgin's broadband customer base.

so how is that a paying customers fault ? Virgins network obviously cannot cope with the users it has, so who is to blame here, the customers or Virgin ? i know who my money is on.

[Chrysalis]

A bigger customer base should make it easier as have economy of scale advantage. Also VM dont have to buy anything of another ISP like BE do having to pay for BT exchange space etc. However I also see the other side of the coin in that BE are making no money, its a charity case for telefonica.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

A bigger customer base should make it easier as have economy of scale advantage. Also VM dont have to buy anything of another ISP like BE do having to pay for BT exchange space etc. However I also see the other side of the coin in that BE are making no money, its a charity case for telefonica.

And long may it remain so.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by linwelin

so how is that a paying customers fault ? Virgins network obviously cannot cope with the users it has, so who is to blame here, the customers or Virgin ? i know who my money is on.

Be are a niche provider, Virgin are mainstream. Virgin need to appeal to the lowest common denominator, Be can allow O2 to do that for them on their brand.

EDIT: Of course if Virgin were really cool they'd be offering a premium service to those who wish to pay extra for the higher quality, that's more about the business packages not keeping up with the residential ones though.

[linwelin]

BT have an unlimited package

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by linwelin

BT have an unlimited package

No they don't. All BT's products come with network management
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...r-usage-policy

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by linwelin

BT have an unlimited package

BT have a FUP which works out the same as traffic management

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

No they don't. All BT's products come with network management
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10495/~/bt-broadband-fair-usage-policy

BT's FUP limits aren't far off what VM have been quoted to be warning customers for.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

BT's FUP limits aren't far off what VM have been quoted to be warning customers for.

I wasn't comparing them to anything, it was a specific reply to 'BT have an unlimited package'.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

I wasn't comparing them to anything, it was a specific reply to 'BT have an unlimited package'.

And I'm just saying Virgin's unlimited package is similarly restricted.

[Marcus125]

I wonder if a 100mb product that was truly unlimited and unthrottled but priced at a price point that would make it sustainable by VM would sell?

EG- 100mb superBB £35
or- 100mb infiniteBB £65

Who would take it? Very few I expect as most people don't use 50meg for ultra important bussiness use. Its P2P file sharing(stealing)

An anyone happy to pay £65 for there BB can probably afford to pay £15 for a bluray.

[qasdfdsaq]

It would cost a lot more than £65 to be sustainable at truly unlimited and unthrottled levels.

Also you can't get same-day delivery of blu-rays at 8 in the evening.

[Chrysalis]

without high statistical contention eg. 8 downstreams and 4 36mbit upstreams they would have to have real contention almost 1:1 probably, so yeah £65 wouldnt be enough.

[Tazz]

OK back on topic... Virgin has finished the trial of this now does anyone know of any news then this will be implemented?