£1600 pw housing benefit!

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by martyh

it wouldn't be the first time that 2 council properties have been knocked into one ,i myself have worked in such properties this would have been much more preferable than moving them into the one they are in now and a fraction of the cost ,even ,as Flyboy has said they could be moved to a different borough or even different part of the country

True. My cousin bought an ex-council house. where the council had knocked two semi detached houses into one. It did mean that although it was a large house, it had a lot of very small rooms though.

Still, we don't know both sides of the story. Yes, I agree that the council should not have placed them in a mansion *if* other properties were available, but the council does have a duty to provide accommodation for them (they have kids).

The problem is that (thanks to a combination of high property prices and the policies of both Tory and Labour governments), the councils don't necessarily have access to enough properties to house all their tenants.

[Osem]

The LA does have a duty to house people but how is it that on the one hand we hear about poor families (both indigenous and otherwise) living on top of eachother in just a few rooms somewhere, whilst these people are living in such large houses??.. It seems as unfair as it is ridiculous.

Given the lack of available resources for all those in need, surely it's time it was made clear to people who're reliant on benefits that they can't just go on having children and expect the state to pick up the tab to such a massive extent.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by martyh

so you think the local drug dealer deserves to be housed by the council ?

or the family who live in my street claiming dole and the wife works at the same freezer shop as my wife and they can get away with it because officially he doesn't live there

just have walk round your nearest council estate and you will find examples of all these and more ..it's called real life

Yes, I knew a guy who separated from his wife and kids so she could get a house rent free, then what a surprise when she got the house he moved in. The guy also owned a business that was in his mothers name.

These are called scroungers, and an examples can be found living in most streets.

[Flyboy]

But there not all from Afghanistan.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

But there not all from Afghanistan.

whats Afghanistan got to do with anything ?

[Flyboy]

This thread.

[Osem]

I thought this thread was about excessive housing benefit..

and, not that it matters much, the family highlighted in the original link are from Somalia.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

This thread.

nobody mentioned Afganistan

[Flyboy]

Oops, my bad. What I meant to write was, "asylum seekers."

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Oops, my bad. What I meant to write was, "asylum seekers."

Easy mistake to make.

[Osem]

Well I'd have started this thread if the family(ies) concerned were from Huddersfield or anywhere else in the UK for that matter. It's still taxpayer's money after all...

[TheDaddy]

And another ponce, this one a thief who avoids jail because of her kids, tuff I say, she didn't give a damn about them when she was ripping the country of to the tune of £70k, despite owning property abroad.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....perty_in_dubai

And she hasn't been deported why exactly ?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

And she hasn't been deported why exactly ?

EU citizen, she wasn't even Somalian....

What we have here are examples of a system gone stupid and Flyboy it happened on your beloved labour partys watch so get over it and deal with it. There are people in this country in genuine need who simply cannot get the help they should be able to get while others less\more deserving or not seem to have it handed to them on a plate this is an inequality in the system and is breeding resentment both in other benefit claimants and working people.

Yet again one person has alluded to this all being the fault of the previous tory government such an easy copout to make and completely untrue this government have been in power long enough with a big enough majority to have overturned anything done in the past and have CHOSEN not to. This government is also the one that has told councils to raise rents to the same level as private housing associations by 2015 i think it is though may be wrong on the year. Meaning many of the lowest paid people in this country have seen their rents skyrocket in the last few years hitting them harder then any tory government has in the past.

But back to the main point it is patently ridiculous for any system to be paying these levels of housing benefit for so few familys and there simply must be a better way to deal with the problem. I do think that any adult who has more then say three kids has to take some responsibility for that and shouldn't be carried by the country and maybe it is time for a system whereby instead of money if you have a number of children you cannot suppoprt you get food vouchers.

I am all for benefit claimannts being treated fairly but there has to be a limit we cannot have a system whereby you can recklessly keep having children when you have no way to support them. There used to be an understanding in this country where those who worked had a reasonable assurance that those on benefit were in need and deserved to get it. If those workers hit hard times at any point in the future the system would be there for them. Under that no one had a problem with the benefit system but that has gone and people working now do not have that assurance in fact they have the opposite and the resentment is growing and rightly so i think.

I am on benefit and will be for the rest of my life and although i am tired of being made to feel like a scrounging lowlife living free sometimes i understand where the anger comes from. It is why i feel that the system does need urgent reform we do need to get back to a situation whereby only those that need it get it and those who are able to get work and support themselves do so and are helped to do it. That said there needs to be money so that training is actually worth it and recognised by business and any claimant on JSA after six months should be compelled to attend vocational training.

We cannot go on as we are we all know that the system is failing those in genuine need whilst pandering to many who are abusing the system and the bill is simply getting too much for any country to sustain for any length of time. Whilst we should never close the door to this country to any person in genuine need there has to be an understanding by those we give safety and sanctuary to that once here it isn't a free for all and that they have to work for and earn that safety and security they previoulsy lacked and that is not asking too much of anyone.