'Thirteen shot dead' at US army base - Page 8

Gary L · 10-11-2009, 01:18

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The mad man that supposedly cracked and started shooting at people, the guy from the army people now known as the Ford Hood shooter was a terrorist according to what the US believes to be a terrorist.
Meaning, according to US standards this was a terrorist attack in their own country by one of their own people.
Before opening fire he screamed "Allahu Akbar!" and then shot dead 12 people. Major Nidal Malik Hasan is a American citizen, he is a psychiatrist in the army.
If this had to happen in the Iraq, we would be hearing how a terrorist killed 12 US soldiers, now we only hear from officials about the "Fort Hood" shooter but in reality, it was a terrorist attack on their own grounds, right in the US.

http://fto.co.za/news/ford-hood-shoo...110915762.html

10-11-2009, 02:05

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Originally Posted by Zee

So lets get this straight. Was he a muslim or not? and was this a terrorist attack or not? facts only please. Im really tired having read through 5 pages and not seen any facts yet.

The shooter was a devout muslim.

He was an officer in the US Army.

He had attended a mosque that had in the past had, had a militant imam.

Three of the nineteen hijackers had been members of the same mosque before the 911 attacks.

The shooter was allegedly one a watch list as having tried to contact islamic terrorists prior to his attack.

Up to you to decide if he was a terrorist, or stressed out soldier flapping about going in theater....

TheNorm · 10-11-2009, 10:40

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

This thread is descending to the level of a pantomime..

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Oh no it isn't!

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Is there a prize for guessing who is the back end of the horse?

**Maggy** · 10-11-2009, 16:42

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

Is there a prize for guessing who is the back end of the horse?

I think that's Gary L.

Gary L · 10-11-2009, 17:04

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

I think that's Gary L.

Only because you get the part of the cow. every year

**Hugh** · 10-11-2009, 17:28

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

Is there a prize for guessing who is the back end of the horse?

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

I think that's Gary L.

That's cruel - Gary is not the back end of an ass, or the front end of an ass; that must make him no end of an ass.....

BBKing · 13-11-2009, 10:43

I'd be a bit careful about resting any kind of judgement on the facts as emerged - Saturday's Times was plastered with pictures of the 'Mom' who brought down the shooter while being badly wounded herself, but it's now being reported that Hasan was really stopped by another policeman who was a) male, b) not wounded and c) black.

Not that that would have had any bearing on the information issued to the media.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1004042423

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati..._says_his.html

Kymmy · 29-11-2009, 19:34

What is it about army bases atm

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Originally Posted by breaking report on the bbc news site

Several police officers shot near US military base in Washington state, US media report

According to news24 the officers were shot whilst sitting in a coffee shop, 4 dead

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Turns out it was a USAF base

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8385421.stm

**Hugh** · 29-11-2009, 19:57

Near the air base.

Arthurgray50@blu · 30-11-2009, 00:06

In America, the biggest major problem is GUNS, and everyone is allowed to carry them, BUT if murder is commited they have another major item its called THE DEATH PENALTY, which is carried out, as with this country, someone who is murdered in this country gets LIFE and is looked after by the TAXPAYERS of this country, how stupid is that.

Flyboy · 30-11-2009, 00:12

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

In America, the biggest major problem is GUNS, and everyone is allowed to carry them, BUT if murder is commited they have another major item its called THE DEATH PENALTY, which is carried out, as with this country, someone who is murdered in this country gets LIFE and is looked after by the TAXPAYERS of this country, how stupid is that.

Doesn't stop them killing each other though, does it?

30-11-2009, 02:04

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

Doesn't stop them killing each other though, does it?

Very true Flyboy, but seeing as anyone is capable of killing at any time. Stopping one person murdering another is virtually impossible.... On the other hand. If murder is punished with death by hanging/electrocution/lethal injection/gas. Then if found guilty by a jury of their peers, then a murderer will not ever murder again....

Before we get the usual "but what if we execute an innocent man" argument. Innocents die in droves every year. While the number of murderers in prisons increases year by year. So pick a better argument against the death penalty....

**Maggy** · 30-11-2009, 08:28

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

Very true Flyboy, but seeing as anyone is capable of killing at any time. Stopping one person murdering another is virtually impossible.... On the other hand. If murder is punished with death by hanging/electrocution/lethal injection/gas. Then if found guilty by a jury of their peers, then a murderer will not ever murder again....

Before we get the usual "but what if we execute an innocent man" argument. Innocents die in droves every year. While the number of murderers in prisons increases year by year. So pick a better argument against the death penalty....

Sorry EoB but I cannot think of a better reason against the death penalty than all those found innocent of crimes that they would have been executed for under a death penalty.We have had too many reversal of sentences in the last 15 years alone to show this.

Besides which how would you feel if you were unlucky enough to be one of those innocents condemned and executed.That it's all evened out in the end?

30-11-2009, 10:00

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

Very true Flyboy, but seeing as anyone is capable of killing at any time. Stopping one person murdering another is virtually impossible.... On the other hand. If murder is punished with death by hanging/electrocution/lethal injection/gas. Then if found guilty by a jury of their peers, then a murderer will not ever murder again....

Before we get the usual "but what if we execute an innocent man" argument. Innocents die in droves every year. While the number of murderers in prisons increases year by year. So pick a better argument against the death penalty....

Killing people to show its wrong to kill people is a bit hypocritical do you not think? Those that commit murder and are found guilty should serve a full life sentence and it should be till they die unless they are proven innocent. Keeping them in prison is more civilised and after all we are meant to be better than animals are we not.

As Maggy said what if it was loved one of yours wrongly convicted and the last thing you see them do is twitch at the end of a rope or shake with convulsions in an electric chair? and who do you think you are to try and cut off a whole group of people who are strongly against the death penalty because of miscarrages of justice?

**Chris** · 30-11-2009, 10:39

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

Before we get the usual "but what if we execute an innocent man" argument. Innocents die in droves every year. While the number of murderers in prisons increases year by year. So pick a better argument against the death penalty....

Or perhaps you should pick a better argument against the 'innocent man' argument.