smoking and the pub - Page 78

Angua · 16-01-2006, 11:34

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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

either that or the Kabab on the way home causes it!

Naah in my younger days after a night out drinking & smoking the inside of my mouth needed a blowtorch and scraper

Julian · 14-02-2006, 19:48

A full ban then

**Chris** · 14-02-2006, 20:27

Good. It's the only way for it to work fairly.

Julian · 14-02-2006, 20:52

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Originally Posted by Chris T

Good. It's the only way for it to work fairly.

Agreed, all we need now is to bring cigs into line with alcohol regarding age/purchasing.

Pia · 14-02-2006, 21:18

I thought they weren't voting til 10pm? That's what the news flash just said on BBC1

14-02-2006, 21:27

Nowt worse than an ex smoker preaching is there

It aint gonna happen where i live. Any pub that tried to get regulars stubbing out would soon close due to lack of custom

punky · 14-02-2006, 21:52

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Originally Posted by Chris T

Good. It's the only way for it to work fairly.

I have an idea though...

How about you have building, outside which you have a bloke with table, or in another room/building. You pay ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£20 for a sheet of paper from 1 to 10. You then walk inside to the privately owned building where the owner says you can smoke (as I presume you can if you visit your friends house, lest Labour want to control what people want to do in their own homes, and we all know they do. That's communism/socialism). Whilst you are inside, the owner offers you a free drink, but scribbles out a number on your card. No business has taken place here.

How would that be illegal after the ban comes about?

14-02-2006, 21:57

I can see reasoning for public ban but why extend to private clubs? These should be treated as would be a home. People should have the right to join a club which permits smoking, and proprietors of these should have the right to permit smoking here.

punky · 14-02-2006, 22:11

I wonder if pubs can survive. I think it will mean smokers will probably shun pubs for drinking at home with friends which could put a lot of pubs out of business, as i'm not sure whether non-smokers (and the odd few smokers that will go to the pub) could make a pub profitable. Smokers may suffer not smoking to go on holiday, but I doubt they would for regular pub visits.

Xaccers · 14-02-2006, 22:15

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Originally Posted by Chris T

Good. It's the only way for it to work fairly.

How on earth is it fair?

Fair would be to have a sectioned off smoking area where the smoke cannot interfere with non-smokers.
They do it in South Africa.

I can see many independant pubs losing their public status and becoming "private" clubs with really low or non-existant membership fees.
In the cities, I can see this being enforced, but small country pubs, who's gonna check if the locals aren't bothered by it?

**Chris** · 14-02-2006, 22:25

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

How on earth is it fair?

Fair would be to have a sectioned off smoking area where the smoke cannot interfere with non-smokers.
They do it in South Africa.

I can see many independant pubs losing their public status and becoming "private" clubs with really low or non-existant membership fees.
In the cities, I can see this being enforced, but small country pubs, who's gonna check if the locals aren't bothered by it?

it's fair because private clubs will not be exempt, despite what the Cabinet initially proposed. A pub will not be able to circumvent the ban by doing what you describe.

As for whether it gets enforced ... how is any law enforced in rural areas? It may take longer to become accepted, but it is IMO just a matter of time.

Xaccers · 14-02-2006, 22:40

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Originally Posted by Chris T

it's fair because private clubs will not be exempt, despite what the Cabinet initially proposed. A pub will not be able to circumvent the ban by doing what you describe.

As for whether it gets enforced ... how is any law enforced in rural areas? It may take longer to become accepted, but it is IMO just a matter of time.

How is it fair though?

At the moment, smokers and non-smokers can go into pubs and enjoy the time together.
With the current law, non-smokers can go into a pub, enjoy the clean air of the no-smoking area, while their smoking friends can relax in a legal passtime in the smoking area.
Once the bill comes into law, smokers will only be able to do so if they go outside.
It's fair to treat smokers as second class citizens is it?

**Maggy** · 14-02-2006, 23:07

Three things will happen.

1)Some smokers will give up.
2)Some smokers will just leave the premises have a smoke and then return.
3)Some smokers will just drink and smoke at home more often.If they do it often enough some bars may see a little less turnover unless they can attract more non smokers.

The world will not end however.

Mind if they target alcohol next I wonder how many of our rabid anti-smokers will put up with that?

Frankly I can't wait to see the end of TB's government because I'm sick of the total bluddy nagging about what we do,ingest,exercise,weigh.Who needs a second mother?At least she only nags about what you wear and whom you see.

pedantic · 14-02-2006, 23:12

Personally, I think this will cause a lot of problems. It's ok to ban people, but when it's close to last orders and people have had a huge amount to drink. Imagine the local villain, and a dozen of his mates all lighting up, being told to either put it out or get out. I hope the police have the reinforcements to cope with this type of scenario.

14-02-2006, 23:16

When does this law come into effect?