The state benefits system mega-thread.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

still not jobs for everyone may as well employ those that want jobs first. Society and capitalism demands everyone has to have money to survive so it makes finding an answer hard cuz if you take their money away they will have to turn to crime to survive. Unless you just kill them all or put them on an island to fend for themselves perhaps?

Bear in mind that even where there *are* jobs, a lot of people haven't taken them.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

its public service not service yourself. No one in public service is worth that much[COLOR="Silver"]

Really? Considering frequent 18 hour days,the enormous responsibility and prodigious workload I'd actually say the pay is pathetic. Someone that high up in the private sector wouldn't get up in the morning for £1600 a week...

but he chose to be in politics which is public service

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

if you take their money away they will have to turn to crime to survive. Unless you just kill them all or put them on an island to fend for themselves perhaps?

I'm sure they will get a fine. big enough to deter them from upsetting the working rich people.

we can't lock them up. that will be a luxury which most of them will probably want. and there just aren't enough places to go around.

if anyone does get inconvenienced by a member of this society in the upcoming weeks and months. the police are only a phone call away

Originally Posted by Stuart

Bear in mind that even where there *are* jobs, a lot of people haven't taken them.

maybe they cannot do them Bear in mind the DWP should force those able to do the jobs to interview for these jobs maybe they are not qualified which then loops right back to what I want and that is 12 months where the long termed unemployed can retrain and get benefits as long as they go to the course and apply themselves then I think it would be a good thing

I tell ya on a side note you got to love the English language Bear having 3 bloody different meanings I have always used Bare before but upon checking I have always been wrong

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

but he chose to be in politics which is public service

Which makes precisely no difference whatsoever. He's in a high-pressure job with long hours and serious responsibilities. The compensation he receives in pay and benefits is by no means excessive.

And, seeing as Arthur mentioned the police protection, that's because the Provos spent years plotting to kill our politicians and because these days there are most likely a few Islamist nutters who would like to have a go as well. Carping about police protection for our senior politicians is an extremely low blow IMO and simply demonstrates the real motivation behind some of the comments posted in this thread.

[Gary L]

Didn't Ian marry into money?

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

but he chose to be in politics which is public service

and because you get peanuts so should he... correct?

---------- Post added at 15:27 ---------- Previous post was at 15:27 ----------

Originally Posted by Gary L

Didn't Ian marry into money?

Jealous?

Originally Posted by Chris

Which makes precisely no difference whatsoever. He's in a high-pressure job with long hours and serious responsibilities. The compensation he receives in pay and benefits is by no means excessive.

And, seeing as Arthur mentioned the police protection, that's because the Provos spent years plotting to kill our politicians and because these days there are most likely a few Islamist nutters who would like to have a go as well. Carping about police protection for our senior politicians is an extremely low blow IMO and simply demonstrates the real motivation behind some of the comments posted in this thread.

cheap shot in an attempt to remove credibility from those with a view opposing yours . Mind you I am sure if I looked I could find some equally distasteful remarks from some on your side

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Will21st

Jealous?

Don't know what she looks like.

did he marry into money then?

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Don't know what she looks like.

did he marry into money then?

you welly-jelly,Bro?

even if he did,what difference does it make?

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Chris

He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, so I don't imagine he's going to lose any sleep over an article in the Daily Mirror, a politically-motivated petition and the signatures of a few thousand Labour activists.

IDS was asked directly on the Today programme if he could live on £53. If he'd said 'no' then the Mirror would be screaming in fury this morning and there'd be a petition demanding that the government abandon benefit changes that they admit are unfair and impossible to live with. He said 'yes' and the Mirror is screaming in fury this morning and demanding that he prove it, which is a bit awkward for them because he has already proven his ability to live on benefits when he left the army. That's not good enough for the usual suspects though, they say that years ago "things were different" and they demand proof that he could still do it today, but IMO that's just a thinly disguised attack based on envy of someone who has made a success of his life.

Just face it everyone, IDS has been there, done that, couldn't afford the tee shirt and now has a well-paid job in which he has to take hard decisions and get personal abuse as a result. He isn't going to give up his salary, his mansion or his nice car. There's no point. If you don't believe his stint on benefits at the beginning of his civilian career proves anything, then you won't believe a daft spectacle sponsored by the Mirror proves anything either.

He dug his own grave let him lie in it Chris for once stop backing parasites like him or sitting on the fence. Reality is he knows its impossible so then why set policy. Incidently it hit 100,000 last night just before midnight quickest poll I seen hit magic number.

He published no end lies he dont know the truth anymore. Coalision talks 300 bn welfare which fabricated lies only true welfare around 117bn this year figures. Only measly 9.8bn is unemployment if check pensions out only 35.6bn is disabilty that wont be going in peoples pockets all of it goes to atos too.

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/ye...474849#ukgs302

These figures negilable for protection help those who cant help themselves. The country earns 1.5 trillion its sickens me they making out they cant afford the social protection. Reality we cant afford the parasites who bleeding nation to death those getting fat off corporate welfare.

Originally Posted by Will21st

and because you get peanuts so should he... correct?

---------- Post added at 15:27 ---------- Previous post was at 15:27 ----------



Jealous?

no because he is rich and wants to make the country a better place he should work for free

Originally Posted by Gary L

Don't know what she looks like.

So the answer is yes, you're jealous of his money.

did he marry into money then?

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I don't know.

He didn't marry into high political office though. That was as a result of hard work and a lot of determination, especially so in IDS's case, seeing as he was unceremoniously dumped as party leader. Many senior politicians have simply given up and taken cushy jobs at charities and pressure groups with less provocation.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Will21st

you welly-jelly,Bro?

even if he did,what difference does it make?

If he married into money then he didn't technically 'work' for it did he.
an MP doesn't count as work really. it's just one of them work positions where everything is paid for by the taxpayer. so whatever money you do 'earn' you can keep saving it all up

Found this on his website.

Tory welfare secretary Iain Duncan Smith – the man slashing housing benefit for hard-up families – is living in a £2million Tudor country pile for FREE.
Unlike worried Britons facing homelessness because of his savage cuts, the former Tory leader, 56, has the run of a palatial home which doesn’t cost him a single penny in rent or mortgage.
The Grade II listed building, complete with swimming pool, tennis court and five acres of gardens, is the ancestral home of his wife Betsy’s multimillionaire aristocratic family.
Not only does the house come free, he doesn’t have to worry about his four children paying inheritance tax on it because he and his wife are not technically the owners of the 16th Century home, in Swanbourne, Buckinghamshire.
He was given use of the mansion by his father-in-law, Baron Cottesloe. It was traditionally the focal point of life in the village where the Cottesloes own 1,300 acres of prime farmland as well as the pub, post office, a private school and many of the houses

http://iainduncansmith.com/2013/02/h...-mansion-free/

---------- Post added at 15:39 ---------- Previous post was at 15:35 ----------

Originally Posted by Chris

So the answer is yes, you're jealous of his money.

No the answer isn't yes.

you're just making them word association guesses thing with your mind.