£1600 pw housing benefit!

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Aah I see and just when would you expect those people to stop having children? Where were they going to live? Why then, do the councils now rely on private landlords, more and more, to provide social housing? Ironically many in the very same houses that were local authority owned in the first place.



And what evidence are you are basing that on what exactly? You have absolutely no idea that would have happened.

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But that is not the fault of the family in question. That was decision made by the local authority. It is also down to the high property prices in Westminster. A house identical to this one, in Derbyshire, for example, would probably be a quarter of the cost.

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They most certainly do, despite what the media would have you believe. They are the ones who decide where to put the families, not central government. They could have quite easily rented two flats side by side, at a fraction of the cost, but oddly enough decided not to. Or they could have re-housed them in a different borough.

Local Housing Allowance

You are entitled to one bedroom for:
• every adult couple (married or unmarried)
• any other adult aged 16 or over
• any two children of the same sex aged under 16
• any two children aged under 10
• any other child.
....
Here are some examples that may help:
....
Lisa and Matt
Lisa and Matt are a couple who have five children, Shaun, who is seventeen, Graham, who is fifteen, Laura, who is twelve, Millie, who is nine and Jessica, who is six. They are entitled to one bedroom for themselves, one bedroom for Shaun, one bedroom for Laura and Millie to share, one bedroom for Graham and one bedroom for Jessica. This means any benefit they are entitled to will be based on the Local Housing Allowance rate for five bedrooms.

There was 3 Adults(1 couple) and 8 children to be housed. Without knowing the sex and ages of the children(which I said was a factor), that is a minimum of 6 bedrooms.

So I do/did have some idea of what would have happened.

If you use the website, this is what it shows:-
Search Results Search results for Local Authority City of Westminster shown in £'s per week.
BRMA ID BRMA Name 5 Beds Valid To Valid From
146 Central London £1,600.00 31 Dec 2009 01 Dec 2009
161 Inner North London £750.00 31 Dec 2009 01 Dec 2009

So the Landlord knows that they can charge a benefit recipient £1,600/week and will get the money, yet they might well charge a non-recipient of benefit a lot less.

[Jon T]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

So, how does this, or any other, family not deserve to live in a house?

I really have no idea.

I dare say that you can obtain the homelessness policies and procedures, together with any relevent legislation through a FOI request. Also, a copy of the latest district audit report on the LA.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Osem

This time it's £3,000 pw if the source is to be believed.

Mr Saiedi, a taxi driver, and his wife live separately but the size of the family meant they were entitled to a seven-bedroom home.

Why do they live seperately. isn't the house big enough for him. or didn't they want the fact that he works affecting what help they are entitled to?

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Jon T

Obviously your work for a LA, and know the inner workings of one.....and on your days off your must do volunteer work for the DWP.

So you go from a post that declared that you work for a local authority and have some insight into this; that you suggest that I do a freedom of information search to find out some infrmtion for...well I didn't really understand what; then you suggest that there are some families who do not deserve to live in houses, to this rather odd attack, for me expressing an opinion. Hardly a balanced approach to debating really, is it?

Originally Posted by Gary L

Why do they live seperately. isn't the house big enough for him. or didn't they want the fact that he works affecting what help they are entitled to?

i would suggest the second reason ,the same for the original family
When they decided to NOT stop having kids they realised that there was no way they could continue to support themselves on a wage so took a concious decision to sponge of us weak and lame brits
We have enough home grown spongers like these without importing them

I thought that there were safegards in place to stop people just sitting on the dole ,i thought that after so long you had to go on courses and take training ect or benefits would stop?

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Jon T

I really have no idea.

I dare say that you can obtain the homelessness policies and procedures, together with any relevent legislation through a FOI request. Also, a copy of the latest district audit report on the LA.

But until you edited your post where it was completely different to the original, you said that there were families who should not be in the houses that local authorities gave them. How about an answer to the question?

Originally Posted by Flyboy

But until you edited your post where it was completely different to the original, you said that there were families who should not be in the houses that local authorities gave them. How about an answer to the question?

i know plenty of families who don't deserve council accomodation or any other state supported accomodation for that matter
do you want names and adresses?

[Flyboy]

Yes!

[Gary L]

I really want to know what the circumstances are as to why he doesn't live with the family. I might call that Benefit Fraud number.

Our home grown spongers don't get this much help do they?

[Jon T]

forget it

Im tired and think i'm missing something in this thread, i'm also not sure i've said what I meant to say very well at all.

Flyboy, I think, infact i'm fairly sure, that i've read your posts in the wrong way, or drawn the wrong conclusion from them.

See you all tomorrow, i'm off to bed.

Originally Posted by Gary L

I really want to know what the circumstances are as to why he doesn't live with the family. I might call that Benefit Fraud number.

Our home grown spongers don't get this much help do they?

exactly , they should be thrown out into the street ,they don't deserve our generosity


noticed the crimbo buttons nice touch

[Flyboy]

So...how about those names and addresses, then?

Originally Posted by Flyboy

So...how about those names and addresses, then?

does being stupid come naturally to you or do you practice much ?

i'll give you a clue ...drug dealers ....dole cheats ....people who breed dangerous dogs from council owned property and allow them to kill their children any number of estates all over the country have people like these so i would suggest you get clued up reality

[Flyboy]

Aah, so you don't have any real proof then. Just speculation, guesses and conjecture and perhaps a little bit of the old stereotypes thrown in.

Calling someone stupid doesn't make you big, it just makes you look a bit silly.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Aah, so you don't have any real proof then. Just speculation, guesses and conjecture and perhaps a little bit of the old stereotypes thrown in.

Calling someone stupid doesn't make you big, it just makes you look a bit silly.

so you think the local drug dealer deserves to be housed by the council ?

or the family who live in my street claiming dole and the wife works at the same freezer shop as my wife and they can get away with it because officially he doesn't live there

just have walk round your nearest council estate and you will find examples of all these and more ..it's called real life