Road speed limit cut to 50mph ?

[Gary L]

The truth is that if there was absolutely no way that a pedestrian could get hurt or killed on any road in Britain. there would still be speed cameras plotted all over the place to raise revenue.

I read somewhere about all this mass hysteria about paedophiles. someone said it's not happening, there is not a war going on outside your front door. it's only there because you are told it's there and you want to believe it's there.

The government wants you to believe that we need to be nannied, and we have got to the point where we want this. and get up in the morning to find out what they are going to do for us today to make our lives more governed than it was yesterday.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Gary L

The truth is that if there was absolutely no way that a pedestrian could get hurt or killed on any road in Britain. there would still be speed cameras plotted all over the place to raise revenue.

I read somewhere about all this mass hysteria about paedophiles. someone said it's not happening, there is not a war going on outside your front door. it's only there because you are told it's there and you want to believe it's there.

The government wants you to believe that we need to be nannied, and we have got to the point where we want this. and get up in the morning to find out what they are going to do for us today to make our lives more governed than it was yesterday.

I can't really say I've noticed any mass hysteria about paedophiles. There is more of them getting caught because of investigative advances but I don't think there's any mass hysteria. I teach my daughters not to talk to strangers the same way I was taught some time ago.

Anyway.... to get back on topic, would it not be better to use paedophiles as sleeping policeman on all dangerous roads since they appear to serve no other useful purpose in our society.

Second thoughts, bad idea, Lots of people might speed up instead of slowing down.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by rogermevans

that was introduced as the study says to help stop people hitting the back of stationary trafic beause of congestion it hope that it would impact shokwaves too but that wasnt why it was put there

its intention was overall to increase speed to relive the congestion

and ends with

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No attempt has been made to validate the results reported. Users of the guidance are encouraged to assess the robustness of the results presented and the likely transferability of the case study to their own local environment.

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and in real terms has no relation ship to National speed limited lanes where a fifty uncontrolled limit would not be deployed intelligently when needed it would just be!

most lanes can be driven at 60 where they cant they should have thier speed reduced but the lanes i know where such a reduction woud be valid need much more than a 10mph drop

if i my beso bold if anything was going to be done it shouldbe that 60 should be stay as it is 50/40 be put in place by councils where needed and where no center line can be painted due to width a 30 limit be imposed

i think the police here will most likely agree with that

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say here. Your message makes no sense, can you re-post with more clarity?

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Originally Posted by Gary L

The truth is that if there was absolutely no way that a pedestrian could get hurt or killed on any road in Britain. there would still be speed cameras plotted all over the place to raise revenue.

But it's not just pedestrians, it is other road users that are at risk as well.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say here. Your message makes no sense, can you re-post with more clarity?

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But it's not just pedestrians, it is other road users that are at risk as well.

1 if you cant read it you cant read it

2 yes other road users most though because of head ons for amount of deaths these would be unlikely to be affected by a 10mph drop

derek say more accidents are from those just leaving the road but i expect that most of those are ones doing over the limit anyway

so far the government has brought forth no studies that show that this would in any way be effective and the data that they have available shows that pedestrian education should save more lives

[Flyboy]

No, still doesn't make any sense. Who TF is "derek?"

[rogerdraig]

try post 82 to find Derek

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Who TF is "derek?"

I am

And my most lengthy post on this subject is here.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Derek S

In my experience the majority of fatals are usually down to a combination of drink/drugs/inexperience/showing off/grossly inappropriate cars and speed rather than speed alone.

Some roads, while technically 60MPH, shouldn't be anywhere near that speed but enforcing it without a massive expansion in cameras (which have their flaws) or some type of GPS blackbox fitted to cars (part of a pay as you drive scheme from HM Revenue and Moneygrabbing?) would be next to impossible.

If you want to seriously reduce the number of fatalities look at the whole testing/licensing of drivers. It's ludicrous that you can pass a test in a 1.2 litre punto with no experience of driving in rain, at night or on a motorway and then go out, buy a knackered old Subaru etc. and load it up with a bunch of your mates for a tear around the back roads.

Phased licensing as to the amount of passengers/power of car is the way forward as far as I'm concerned rather than a blanket dropping of speed which will be ignored by 99% of drivers anyway.

Whilst I largely agree, in most cases, if the speeds were slower, the risks would be less and the results no so devastating.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Whilst I largely agree, in most cases, if the speeds were slower, the risks would be less and the results no so devastating.

thats not what the stats say

they say that the problems are inattention lack of observation by both car drivers and pedestrians

any speed over 30 is likely to be fatal to a pedestrian and in real terms any speed over 40 in head ons is likely to be fatal

the run of roads that Derek says are higher in numbers than the head ons are from the crashes i can find data on unlikely to be affected by any speed limit as the majority seem to be going well over any posted limit in any case

the evidence that a speed limit reduction will do any thing is not there

if they want to get more to stick to the limits we have ( though motorways should be increased in any case ) is to actually plan the limits we already have properly and increase responsibility for pedestrians

most side roads should be reduced to 10 /20 mph ( yep some places i want slower limits ) other non main route roads should be 30 with lower variable limits for school and even busy crossing places at certain times of day ( we have them working very well fow some of our schools controlled by the lolly pop man

on other a and b roads 30 40 50 limits should be put in appropriate to the road and not as a lot are now reduced on straight sections so its easy to put a sped trap in on a road that was perfectly safe at a high speed till camera turned up

motorways should have higher but variable limits where its safe to do

and if they realy want a big reduction every child should have to pass a driving test of some sort before leaving school

and start retesting every one at least once evry 10 years preferably every 5 ( both could help get extra people in work to at the moment )