Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by tdadyslexia

Well that was werth the wate to see. What Film editor did you use? Is it Free?

Thanks, I used Windows Movie Maker, which is free with XP (I've got a distant recollection there are two versions, the second version is much more stable than the first, and it was an optional upgrade you can download from Windows Update). Titles, sound tracks, & video effects are very easy to add.

Kevin MacLeod kindly pointed out that the credits need to mention Tchaikovski. Updated version here with correct credits.

Phorm/BT please note, for avoidance of doubt, I have made a voluntary donation for use of the music. In effect, paying a consenting copyright owner for use of his creative works. You might like to think very hard about consent and payment too.

[warescouse]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

Ok, after 2 hours detailed law research, I've looked harder at the rules. I can't see anything to indicate the film is covered by UK or US copyrights.
I agree. I'll upload it. (There's no sound track, it was silent film!).

You have to be careful (I am very careful). There is copyright in the musical arrangement and copyright in the performance.
Copyright in the musical arrangement may have lapsed, but Kevin MacLeods performance of that music is still covered by a copyright. Fortuneatly the terms and conditions of his copyright make it possible for me to use the music without payment of royalties.

I take copyright very seriously, can you tell?

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Incidentally, after spending 2 hours hand wringing trying to establish whether a 103 year old film in which all the performers are certainly stone cold dead decades ago, where the film was lodged as a paper series of photographs, and after reviewing 100+ years of USA, UK and EU copyright legislation to make certain there was no violation of copyright for non-commercial use...

... you would have to be smoking crack to believe it is legally possible to copy web pages, in effect literary works which are mostly less than 1 year old.

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Enjoy. Click on the picture below.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8bUa_wooeA

Credits to the creative genius of Thomas Alva Edison, and Kevin MacLeod of Incompetech.

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Restlessness and discontent are the first necessities of progress.
Thomas A. Edison

I tip my cap.

[popper]

Originally Posted by Ryewolf

There's also another address for the website without using swear words
http://www.kindlyfoxtrotoscar.com/

Just KFO'd both Phorm and Kent

their website tracker tools are interesting to
http://www.kindlyfoxtrotoscar.com/?action=tools

kents No is 45
phorm No is 132
Bt No is 44

do you have to be registered before your comments show up there?, i cant seem to see any of my or anyones comments! in the "Reasons/Comments" sections.

i clicked add reason/comment, entered my reasons and then clicked the nominate in the right order but nothing appearing... a Bug perhaps, or is it visable to registered users there?

BTW kents just gone up from 6 to 5 in the rankings, the stand alone tool makes a rattle noise when something changes, try it
http://www.kindlyfoxtrotoscar.com/?action=tools#tracker

[Florence]

Originally Posted by popper

their website tracker tools are interesting to
http://www.kindlyfoxtrotoscar.com/?action=tools

kents No is 45
phorm No is 132
Bt No is 44

do you have to be registered before your comments show up there?, i cant seem to see any of my or anyones comments! in the "Reasons/Comments" sections.

i clicked add reason/comment, entered my reasons and then clicked the nominate in the right order but nothing appearing... a Bug perhaps, or is it visable to registered users there?

Just visited the site think you need a new thread for this so not to dilute the compaign too much making it harder to find the information.

[popper]

Originally Posted by Florence

Just visited the site think you need a new thread for this so not to dilute the compaign too much making it harder to find the information.

done, see here http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...l#post34586408


made it a general longer term OT BR type related posts thread.

so anything that looks like it might become a larger subject can be moved there if we remember the URL after a few pages have passed by...

just managed to put the OT BR thread URl in my sig for now to help others remember to keep it visable and used.

one off OT BR posts can stay here,but moved there if it gets lots of OT replys...and linked back here in a few lines of direct URL and comment hint.

[warescouse]

Originally Posted by Florence

Just visited the site think you need a new thread for this so not to dilute the compaign too much making it harder to find the information.

Agree, Good Idea.

Originally Posted by popper

done, see here http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...l#post34586408


made it a general longer term OT BR type related posts thread.

so anything that looks like it might become a larger subject can be moved there if we remember the URL after a few pages have passed by...

Well done popper.

[BadPhormula]

Originally Posted by Florence

Just visited the site think you need a new thread for this so not to dilute the compaign too much making it harder to find the information.

Florence,

I have an idea for you and other posters. I see CF forum as a rolling Phorm dialog and BadPhorm as a indexed hierarchy with commentry, why don't you start a thread(s) under the "Phorm Talk" section with links to the CF forum posts. You can categorise and break the posts into the appropriate groups and make your own makeshift index to the useful information.

BadPhorm.co.uk supports editing so you can start a page and re-edit the page(s) as the information changes. If lots of people start pooling their efforts it would soon become a great information repository index.

If you want to make it into a more formal database you can develop your own XML structures and cut-n-paste them as plain text into the page(s)

Hope that helps.

[warescouse]

Armed with the initial FOI request scans by Dephormation and when we have fully consumed the interesting information contained within, we should consolidate ideas for our next best move or plan of attack so to speak.

We should attempt to ensure that further requests are precisely worded to fill any missing gaps that have come to light after the last disclosures. The more loose ends we can tie up the better we can fight this illegal WebWise interception.

It is fairly obvious the Phorm and Kent are doing the rounds, so to speak, with the influential community and it is up to us to ensure that our counter claims are well targeted.

Knowledge is power as Kent would like to think and although we are doing a great job I still think we are playing catch up. There is probably about 98% of the population still to educate. Unless Phorm and BT get hit by one of the Big Boys (please, please) who object to Phorm illegaly creaming off their own legal cake we must ensure we do not sit back and pat ourselves on the back just yet.

[popper]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

I can recommend KFO as a way to vent frustration. Spare David Davis an SOS while you're at it.



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I've got a charming promo video, put together using a very old film clip from 1905 (taken from the 'Burglars slide for life').

I've used a brilliant royalty free recording of Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies... by Kevin MacLeod of Incompetech.

The video is fab, and I'd love to share it. I can't because I fear it may still be in copyright (the script author died 67 years ago, worst case copyright may still exist for 70 years after the last performer/author's death).

Shame, I'd love to share it with everyone.

Makes me so angry BT think they can claim the right to ignore copyright with impunity, at the same time as they serve disconnection warning letters on their own customers for copyright abuse.

as you know i want this consumer protest video to grow and easy for any of us to use so i thought id put this subject up on the OT BR thread.

creative commons is the thing.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...ll-things.html

did you, as in Everyone thinking of taking 5 minutes to make a video with your mobile phone, link your videos into the special Phorm NoDPI section too?
https://nodpi.org/2008/06/02/youtube...etition-group/

[jcardiff]

having been away from this thread for a bit and having attempted to glance through the ridiculous amount of posts in one thread I wonder if someone can summarise
what is happening and are there any recent developments?

[Fuseedumbam]

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[Raistlin]

*** Spammer Reported ***

Originally Posted by madslug

Now, will someone please start giving answers about the theft. This is about burglary and not arson. There is no arson.

Does anyone know how to approach the Home Office and ask them to look into the case of burglary.

I really like that "There is no arson" analogy.

I think, when discussing ad delivery in targetted advertising, regulatory bodies assume that explicit informed consent would have already been given by the customer (victim) as a basic requirement of law.

It's this legal requirement which is holding up further BT trials, as technically, as I understand it, they will be struggling to comply with it.

[popper]

OT BR thread #2 IAB Membership Extended Way Beyond Publishers

[warescouse]

Originally Posted by jcardiff

having been away from this thread for a bit and having attempted to glance through the ridiculous amount of posts in one thread I wonder if someone can summarise
what is happening and are there any recent developments?

Check out http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...ad-page-2.html

icsys has been kindly doing a summary of important developments. I think it is still a work in progress. (never ending ) It should bring you up to mid this month, where you can catch up by a bit of homework in this thread. Worth doing!