General : Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2018)

[Chloé Palmas]

Originally Posted by Raider999

My post clearly states it is referring to SkyQ not virgin V6

I know, so was my response. Just my general disgust at Sky's new proposals etc. (I am with Sky, so it effects me where as Virgin does not).

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Originally Posted by denphone

Probably because the ratings were pretty poor perhaps.

Yeah they sneakily tried to avoid sending us info on them billing us for it a while back along with Sky Atlantic / and then the F1 network. When they added box sets in general Hubby told them to shove the lot so they apologized for not sending out the change through T&C etc and gave us a 20% discount for 18 months from the lower tariff so it worked out for us but they did mention that a bunch of those networks may go onto their main package soon enough.

I am not sure if it is to do with low ratings though and may be to do with something about being unable to put it as CPP if it is a standalone network on Sky, at a premium rate. (I.e. like they had to do with half of their Asian package, almost bumping the cost up for the rest of us before they backed down).

Most ratings for networks like that are not very high to begin with (even their major networks are dropping - and not just for Sky, but everywhere generically) but usually that is accounted for in channel placing / availability / platforms / programing / timing / cost (both ends) / advertising etc. So as a whole you are likely correct on the ratings but they probably factored that in.

Making it FTA makes CPP a lot easier, which should bring them much more in the long run (financially).

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Sky Atlantic will be on 'all major platforms' by 2019. Sky's words, not mine.

Originally Posted by jfman

Preference is all very well and good, I’d prefer to win the lottery than buy a ticket and not.

That paragraph makes it even more vague. Distribution of brands doesn’t necessarily mean “all brands”.

I agree that Old Boy's posting may over-optimise the situation as the quote about Sky Atlantic arriving on VM is not as definite as he says it is. But, I still prefer his interpretation!

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

The question is of course how Sky define “major platforms”.

Well, if BT is one, Virgin Media is a bigger TV platform than that.

[Chloé Palmas]

It goes around the same sort of 'CPP' when discussing software (for computers it is Windows to Apple / sometimes Linux etc) and phones is Android / IoS etc etc...so I would say that the BT / VM is an accurate assumption from OLD BOY.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, if BT is one, Virgin Media is a bigger TV platform than that.

BT have more bargaining power then Virgin do..

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

BT have more bargaining power then Virgin do..

Nothing to do with it, Den. Sky are monetising their assets so they are looking to get as big an audience share within a pay tv environment as possible. And I remind you that Sky themselves said it would be on all major platforms. The only question is whether Talk Talk is part of that group of platforms.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Nothing to do with it, Den. Sky are monetising their assets so they are looking to get as big an audience share within a pay tv environment as possible. And I remind you that Sky themselves said it would be on all major platforms. The only question is whether Talk Talk is part of that group of platforms.

BT have premium sport which Virgin don't have....

[Chloé Palmas]

Virgin also do also use Sky networks for some of their movie platform, too. Like BT have their premium sports, Sky have their sports, and cinema too - does Virgin have anything comparable on either?

That being said BT have the main advantage which is that every third party supplier of internet / wireless services that is not copper / optic based like VM has to use BT / Openreach's hardware - like Sky, Talk talk etc. Unless VM allows other providers to operate on its network (which I am unaware of) BT has a huge advantage.

Inadvertently (without mean to), you kind of made Denphone's point, by mentioning Talk Talk / third party providers that use BT's hardware.

[muppetman11]

Not 100% correct both Sky and Talk Talk have some of their own equipment in exchanges.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by jfman

The question is of course how Sky define “major platforms”.

I think Virgin would come under a major platform.

[Chloé Palmas]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Not 100% correct both Sky and Talk Talk have some of their own equipment in exchanges.

I thought that it was all just using BT / Open reach's infrastructure?

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas

I thought that it was all just using BT / Open reach's infrastructure?

It uses Openreach's system but connects in the exchange to Sky's network

[Chloé Palmas]

Last time I had Sky install he did mention that he couldn't mess with the (BT) hardware and the hardware at the exchange was simply so that if he did the install it was cheaper for Sky than using BT. He said that invariably some of that cost trickling back down to the customer would mean that if it was engineering work we ourselves had to pay for, the mark up would be more expensive with BT engineers (from the exchange) and the trickle down cost of constantly using Sky engineers free of charge would increase the cost of a sky package in general.

I had no idea why, at the time but I guess it makes sense. I am still unsure as to what an engineer call now is or worth - I never had their insure system and was told that it was mostly useless.

[Ddonald2016]

My TiVo box when I powered it on did a update installing software this morning anybody know what it’s for. I asked virgin surprise the don’t know

[ozsat]

It is unlikely there was update this morning which is why they would be confused - on a Sunday.

Sounds like you may be switching your box off at the mains and causing it not to do stuff overnight when it should be doing updates and guide calls.