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30-10-2003, 09:58

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Originally Posted by Stuart W

Agreed.

But then I have allways found the peeps at tech support to be very polite, but they still DON'T LISTEN to what I say and tell me to reboot my modem and PC inthe hope I will hang up.

I also find the people who knock on my door and try to convince me to change my phone / electric / gas provider are polite too.

However, surely it would be beneficial to get involved in the discussion and maybee defend himself as to how he got the position instead of treading the saftey of "polite".

Fair comment, perhaps though Fraz is as bemused as the rest of us about this appointment

Stuart W · 30-10-2003, 10:01

Bemused, yes.

But I'd wager he knows who gave him the position, but he refuses to let on, just resorting to the usual waffle skate-around-everything type answers.

Stuart W · 30-10-2003, 10:10

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Originally Posted by Stuart W

after a good nights sleep on thigs.....
<SNIP!>
At lease one existing admin has e-mailed AshG to reflect his disstaste at such a move which AFAIK has not been answered yet.
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My friend has just phoned me, and told me off

He is not an admin at .com, he just works for ntl, my mistake. He still hasn't recieved any answer from AshG though.... neither have I for that matter, but I guess no-one will get any kind of answer, after all, this is ntl we are dealing with.

Now, not too long ago AshG 'deleted' a thread and got more than a little repercussion... This should have tought him th think a little before acting, but no. Not AshG.

So now he has appointed Fraz, who is an ntl employee and has (in the past) caused grief for the mods WITHOUT any kind of information exchange with existing Admins, let alone the members

I think I know what to get AshG for Christmass...

Lord Nikon · 30-10-2003, 10:24

And for the next twists in events...

Miss marple arrives and reveals AshG to be CJ in disguise, and CJ turns out to be Osama Bed Linen in disguise....
Andre turns out to be Bryan Stevens and is appointed in charge of .com in a surprise move.

and before anyone rules it out as impossible... just look at the actions of the past few weeks.....

ian@huth · 30-10-2003, 10:57

To me it seems that this whole affair has been blown out of all proportion. The only questions that need answering are:

1. Can Fraz moderate impartially?

2. Errrrrr, is there a 2?

paulyoung666 · 30-10-2003, 11:01

i know this has been said before but isnt the normal route to be a mod then admin , has fraz any experience of admin / modding a site like .com , just curious that is all , well , i for one wont stop posting over there , it could get interesting , i wonder if it might end up in another craig j scenario

30-10-2003, 11:19

Well, this forum has just lost a member, ME!!!

I have been thinking about going all week but after reading all the **** written in this thread, it has given me the final push into going.

I will miss some of u & will still chat to my mates on MSN but I just want to be away from the crap which seems to keep happening here

So bye bye u lot, have a nice life

Lord Nikon · 30-10-2003, 11:45

Well dieselking, that makes sense.... but there is a more important issue here

Why do we give a rat's @$$ about what happens on .com?

How does Fraz's appointment on .com affect THIS site?
read the posts on the thread on .com by Cereal Killer, I feel they sum the situation up perfectly...

**Maggy** · 30-10-2003, 11:47

it would appear that fraz is actually a mod not an admin according to the latest postings.he is on trial for a month.

however will what has happened in the past really affect his ability to help ntl customers?

incog

Nemesis · 30-10-2003, 11:53

Ok, read right through to now .....

1. This is an open forum ... we can discuss anything ..... this site was born out of .Com .... why can't we discuss what is going on ????

2. There are 3 NTLHell type site, all discuss each other, I don't see any animosity between the sites any more .... so what's the problem.

3. Who is appointed as an Admin has NO direct affect on this site ... bar increasing the numbers.

4. Fraz obviosly has a history, don't know what it is ... and really I don't care. He's welcome here as far as I know ...?

5. People leaving here purely on the basis of discussion about Fraz is a bit ... erm ridiculous, how can you get your point across ?

6. I haven't seen anything here that actually slanders etc Fraz, just some members questioning the way in which he became Admin, and more to the point about the possible future of .com.

7. Why is it that we can't discuss an issue without people deciding to take drastic action. Everyone has an opinion, it would seem that others just don't want to hear it ... shame really.

Jon M · 30-10-2003, 12:02

hmm.. just an observation.. i'm not passing judgement

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I/we have been fully aware of Mike's potential/eventual involvement with the site

yet:

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Who appointed Fraz ??
I honestly don't know

paulyoung666 · 30-10-2003, 12:11

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Originally Posted by dieselking

Well, this forum has just lost a member, ME!!!

I have been thinking about going all week but after reading all the **** written in this thread, it has given me the final push into going.

I will miss some of u & will still chat to my mates on MSN but I just want to be away from the crap which seems to keep happening here

So bye bye u lot, have a nice life

in your opinion , but i dont see why you feel the need to stop posting here just because of this thread

Russ · 30-10-2003, 16:32

Neil has agreed on .com that Fraz has a chequered past with regards to his behaviour on .com.

Personally I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him and he knows exactly why (others do too) and if I could be sure I'm not going to get in to any legal trouble I'll post more information.

The question is not whether he can be a good mod (actually I doubt he'd have the chance to get up to any of his old tricks, Neil, Mick and Ben are reliable enough to ensure he doesn't play about again) but whether or not he can be trusted with such a position of authority.

Bill Payer · 30-10-2003, 17:36

So,Fraz has been appointed as a Mod/Admin by a person whose name has not been revealed.The site is and has been for some time owned by NTL.Who gave Fraz the post is of nobody's concern but Fraz.
Presumably,they knew of Fraz' history on .com.So he caused a little bit of "trouble" for the .com team.In that case,he is ideal for the job as he'll know what he's let himself in for.
Fraz has also stated that he's been a customer for longer than he's worked for NTL.He also used to stir things up on the newsgroups but that didn't prevent him from being employed by NTL.
He also likes to play the Devil's Advocate. I should think that being able to see both sides of an argument is a useful quality for a moderator.
To be honest,I thought Neil & Co would have walked when Frank was pushed.I admire them for deciding to stick it out & continue what Frank started.Given the chance,I'm sure Fraz will prove to be a valuable member of the team.

Russ · 30-10-2003, 17:50

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Who gave Fraz the post is of nobody's concern but Fraz.

I would dispute that. It's OUR concern as WE are the ones who made the site what it is. I don't expect to know EVERYTHING the whole arrangement but you can understand some people who want to know the basics.

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So he caused a little bit of "trouble" for the .com team.In that case,he is ideal for the job as he'll know what he's let himself in for

More than a "little bit"

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He also likes to play the Devil's Advocate

Hmmm

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To be honest,I thought Neil & Co would have walked when Frank was pushed.I admire them for deciding to stick it out & continue what Frank started

Well said that man.

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Given the chance,I'm sure Fraz will prove to be a valuable member of the team

That may well happen.