'Foreigners' at the hospital

Originally Posted by Russ

That's not a bad idea but each time this subject is in the news doctors always seem to say it's their job to preserve life, not make judgement calls on eligibility or immigration status.

If only doctors everywhere else thought the same

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Russ

OK granted they are different but your chances of being right about either are exactly the same - somewhere near 'pretty low'.

No, it's because neither of us can. The difference is I'm not delusional about this 6th sense. If it was true then I'm sure more of you would be employed at Immigration where your special powers could be put to better use.

Until recently I always lived within a few miles of the Home Office. I went to school there with almost half the class not being white British. No 6th sense is needed, just more exposure to different people, both born here and abroad. If it is magic to you then so be it. It's no different to a horticulturist knowing all the different plants and noticing when new ones appear in the garden, even if most of them look almost the same. I couldn't do that but I accept others can...

I know what has been said. It has also been said David Moyes will do well at Man United, that Labour didn't ruin this country's economy, that Ed Sheeran isn't an annoying *insert insult of choice*.

Very random and like comparing chalk to cheese

[007stuart]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

Rest of the world I agree and to gain asylum they have to have traveled here directly from their home nation otherwise they break asylum rules and should get deported

Agreed too many travel through many countries that can offer asylum but strangely they want to come here, curious when there's so much unemployment in the UK.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Russ

That's not a bad idea but each time this subject is in the news doctors always seem to say it's their job to preserve life, not make judgement calls on eligibility or immigration status.

A&E is a different kettle of fish. Anyone in a life or death situation should get help without worry of immigration status.

Desk staff are the ones who should be checking immigration status for other hospital or GP treatment, not GP's.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Qtx

A&E is a different kettle of fish. Anyone in a life or death situation should get help without worry of immigration status.

Desk staff are the ones who should be checking immigration status for other hospital or GP treatment, not GP's.

The hospital check my status each and every time I go, you'd think they'd know by now mind you. But it's only questions so I could lie.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Qtx

Until recently I always lived within a few miles of the Home Office. I went to school there with almost half the class not being white British. No 6th sense is needed, just more exposure to different people, both born here and abroad. If it is magic to you then so be it. It's no different to a horticulturist knowing all the different plants and noticing when new ones appear in the garden, even if most of them look almost the same. I couldn't do that but I accept others can...

Ok if it makes you feel better about yourself I'll agree that some people can tell when others haven't been in the country long (even if in that time they pay tax) although it is utter bobbins.

Originally Posted by Qtx

Very random and like comparing chalk to cheese

It's called "just because you say something is true does not make it a fact". You're not called Graham and sell adult sex toys/equipment by any chance? He used to declare his opinions were 'fact' too.

[007stuart]

Originally Posted by Russ

That's not a bad idea but each time this subject is in the news doctors always seem to say it's their job to preserve life, not make judgement calls on eligibility or immigration status.

Perhaps they should remember who is paying their salary and if the rules say they have to do it then they can always go private and not rely upon the very generous salary and pension they get from the NHS.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by 007stuart

Agreed too many travel through many countries that can offer asylum but strangely they want to come hear, curious when there's so much unemployment in the UK.

Simply because the others
don't want them.
won't give them free money.
won't give them free health care.

but they may give them a car. I'm not sure.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by 007stuart

Perhaps they should remember who is paying their salary and if the rules say they have to do it then they can always go private and not rely upon the very generous salary and pension they get from the NHS.

I think what they mean is they studied for 7+ in medicine, not immigration criteria.

[Nidge41]

They should be made to pay end of. If we went to Poland we'd have to pay for healthcare.

[007stuart]

Originally Posted by Russ

I think what they mean is they studied for 7+ in medicine, not immigration criteria.

Which brings me back to post 74

[Russ]

Originally Posted by 007stuart

Which brings me back to post 74

And that would take me back to my original reply. I'm not saying I think it's right but doctors do have a point when they say it's not their job to do part of the immigration service's work. Whether the patients are dealt with by a receptionist or not, the doctors are responsible for the running of the practice.

[Uncle Peter]

Originally Posted by Nidge41

They should be made to pay end of. If we went to Poland we'd have to pay for healthcare.

That's not strictly true because if you go over there to live but do not work or claim any UK benefits then you can apply for an E106 which entitles you for up to 30 months of free healthcare courtesy of Her Maj.

[Nidge41]

Originally Posted by 007stuart

Perhaps all UK Citizens should either hold a Passport or Identity Card to prove their eligibility for State Benefits or NHS Treatment. Immigrants from the EU should only be entitled to the level of State Benefits or Health Treatment they would receive in their own country. For the rest of the world they must hold Health insurance and for eligibility for State Benefits, nothing. Unless they have been granted full asylum.

Why not scan them on a lantern? That way they can tell if they're allowed healthcare.

There's a doctors round here that you can't get into because it's packed with migrants, it takes you 2 weeks to get into see a doctor.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Peter

That's not strictly true because if you go over there to live but do not work or claim any UK benefits then you can apply for an E106 which entitles you for up to 30 months of free healthcare courtesy of Her Maj.

Does it work and will they accept them??? Many hospitals are refusing to take them.

My mother has just come back from Spain, she needed to see a doctor about a ankle injury, she produced her E106 card, he shook his head and said I'm sorry I can't accept that.

It's a good job she had her Medical insurance to fall back on.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Uncle Peter

That's not strictly true because if you go over there to live but do not work or claim any UK benefits then you can apply for an E106 which entitles you for up to 30 months of free healthcare courtesy of Her Maj.

D'oh