Illegal Cable Box

[Jonnymeg]

Originally Posted by Enuff

I'm trying to make sense of why Don_1 or anyone for that matter, finds it ok to inform on one certain person in particular?

FFS. The bloke is stealing, that is why it is ok to inform.

Originally Posted by supremus

Stealing a car is a serious criminal offence, stealing cable is not.

Theft is theft. Stealing a car is important to the person who owns the said car. Stealing cable is important to the cable company. No one is worse than the other and should be treated equally.

Originally Posted by Enuff

Garry Newlove tried the same thing, and look how that turned out. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...de/7101912.stm

So we all turn a blind eye to crime and watch the UK slide into a more squalid state than it already is.

Stealing is stealing and making light of it only goes to aid the criminals. I would like to see the likes of Enuff and Supremus get robbed and then be forced to watch as all the witnesses say nothing.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Eh?How can you say that?

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I've just read this entire thread and I'm astounded.

I bet the anti grassers would be the FIRST to complain if it was them who was the victim of theft.

I also bet they are the ones who habitually claim that the police do nothing about crime.Well yes of course they don't IF NO ONE TELLS THEM A CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED and that would be grassing wouldn't it?

That attitude is frankly moronic.

Well said.


Its theft pure and simple and theft needs to be dealt with.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by shawty

Its illegal, its theft, thats the motivation of reporting someone.

When this isn't a consistent policy for someone, there is no logic in that statement whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Incognitas

I bet the anti grassers would be the FIRST to complain if it was them who was the victim of theft.

I don't agree with the idea that you should have to face the person you turn in, and I wouldn't want it to come across as if I in any way condone cable piracy, I'm just saying it's an extremely minor issue, far less significant than many other crimes people turn a blind eye to or commit on a daily basis. As for being the victim of theft, my business is the subject of copyright theft every single day, and although it's not something we encourage, it's also not something that is a financial burden to us. In moderation, it actually benefits us, just like a degree of piracy benefits the cable companies, which is a complexity few people seem able - or willing - to grasp.

Originally Posted by Jonnymeg

Theft is theft. Stealing a car is important to the person who owns the said car. Stealing cable is important to the cable company. No one is worse than the other and should be treated equally.

This statement is contradicted by the cable companies' relative indifference to the supposed problem, and furthermore by the fact that nobody has apparently been successfully prosecuted for such an offence, unlike stealing cars, so the "theft is theft" mantra is really quite meaningless.

[shawty]

Originally Posted by supremus

When this isn't a consistent policy for someone, there is no logic in that statement whatsoever.

I don't agree with the idea that you should have to face the person you turn in, and I wouldn't want it to come across as if I in any way condone cable piracy, I'm just saying it's an extremely minor issue, far less significant than many other crimes people turn a blind eye to or commit on a daily basis. As for being the victim of theft, my business is the subject of copyright theft every single day, and although it's not something we encourage, it's also not something that is a financial burden to us. In moderation, it actually benefits us, just like a degree of piracy benefits the cable companies, which is a complexity few people seem able - or willing - to grasp.

This statement is contradicted by the cable companies' relative indifference to the supposed problem, and furthermore by the fact that nobody has apparently been successfully prosecuted for such an offence, unlike stealing cars, so the "theft is theft" mantra is really quite meaningless.

It makes someone a hypocrite, so what, its still illegal.

Don_1, if you are going to report this guy, shouldn't you also report the people who are providing the dodgy boxes?

[shawty]

Originally Posted by UncleBooBoo

I would like my account/membership closed on this forum, how do i go about doing so?

Ive never understood this, you sign out and dont come back.

Originally Posted by supremus

When this isn't a consistent policy for someone, there is no logic in that statement whatsoever.

I don't agree with the idea that you should have to face the person you turn in, and I wouldn't want it to come across as if I in any way condone cable piracy, I'm just saying it's an extremely minor issue, far less significant than many other crimes people turn a blind eye to or commit on a daily basis. As for being the victim of theft, my business is the subject of copyright theft every single day, and although it's not something we encourage, it's also not something that is a financial burden to us. In moderation, it actually benefits us, just like a degree of piracy benefits the cable companies, which is a complexity few people seem able - or willing - to grasp.

This statement is contradicted by the cable companies' relative indifference to the supposed problem, and furthermore by the fact that nobody has apparently been successfully prosecuted for such an offence, unlike stealing cars, so the "theft is theft" mantra is really quite meaningless.

Well now it's bad enough that the CPS filter out cases that they don't think they can win without the general public deciding to filter reporting crimes because some cases aren't as important as others.

Too many people feel alone and lost in a society that seems to have given up and accept reprehensible behaviour as the norm because it isn't much of a crime.

There are too many such crimes joining the list.Like shoplifting...only the big firms are affected and it's a victimless crime.However you and I are the victims because the big business's just put 10p onto the cost of their products to cover their rising insurance premiums.All those 10p will eventually add up to millions that you,I and everyone else pays extra across the board.

The truth is there is NO such crime as a victimless crime.Someone somewhere has to pay.I'd rather it was the crook who does the paying.

Information is still stored, if i so choose to terminate any account then i reserve the right to do so, there is no need for a slanging match about it. Excuse me if i have gone about it in the wrong manner i'm sure a mod or admin will corret me!

EDIT: Thank you Russ for providing me with the information needed to help me.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by shawty

It makes someone a hypocrite, so what, its still illegal.

Again, I have never claimed it wasn't illegal.

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Well now it's bad enough that the CPS filter out cases that they don't think they can win without the general public deciding to filter reporting crimes because some cases aren't as important as others.

This has always been a basic rule of society, though. That's never going to change.

Too many people feel alone and lost in a society that seems to have given up and accept reprehensible behaviour as the norm because it isn't much of a crime.

I think we're getting into very different issues here. The reality is that you can phone Virgin and report someone stealing cable, and find that they aren't particularly interested. Best case scenario, they will put that particular line on the list to be disconnected whenever they have a tech in the area anyway, but if it's someone who already has a minimum subscription, even phone and broadband, it's unlikely that they will do anything at all.

The truth is there is NO such crime as a victimless crime.Someone somewhere has to pay.I'd rather it was the crook who does the paying.

That's not going to happen, though. Only in very rare circumstances will the cable companies try to prosecute individual offenders, and if the supposed victim can't even be bothered, I'd say that's about as close to the definition of victimless crime as you're ever going to get.

[shawty]

Originally Posted by supremus

Again, I have never claimed it wasn't illegal.

This has always been a basic rule of society, though. That's never going to change.

I think we're getting into very different issues here. The reality is that you can phone Virgin and report someone stealing cable, and find that they aren't particularly interested. Best case scenario, they will put that particular line on the list to be disconnected whenever they have a tech in the area anyway, but if it's someone who already has a minimum subscription, even phone and broadband, it's unlikely that they will do anything at all.

That's not going to happen, though. Only in very rare circumstances will the cable companies try to prosecute individual offenders, and if the supposed victim can't even be bothered, I'd say that's about as close to the definition of victimless crime as you're ever going to get.

Are you playing hard to get or what? So downloading MP3's is illegal to, so what, if a certain person reports theft of cable and not theft of MP3's, it might make them a hypocrite, so what? They are still reporting an illegal crime at the end of the day, which is all that matters. Some people might agree or disagree with certain laws, so what? Might make them a hypocrite, so what? An illegal theft has still been reported.

We have been told to stay of the issue of MP3's, so you sitting there all night typing "Again, I have never claimed it wasn't illegal." is not getting us anywhere, I know you never, I never said you did. As we are not supposed to go of topic, he has or wants to report a theft, what more is there to it.

[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by Enuff

Don_1, if you are going to report this guy, shouldn't you also report the people who are providing the dodgy boxes?

good point.

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Well now it's bad enough that the CPS filter out cases that they don't think they can win without the general public deciding to filter reporting crimes because some cases aren't as important as others.

Too many people feel alone and lost in a society that seems to have given up and accept reprehensible behaviour as the norm because it isn't much of a crime.

There are too many such crimes joining the list.Like shoplifting...only the big firms are affected and it's a victimless crime.However you and I are the victims because the big business's just put 10p onto the cost of their products to cover their rising insurance premiums.All those 10p will eventually add up to millions that you,I and everyone else pays extra across the board.

The truth is there is NO such crime as a victimless crime.Someone somewhere has to pay.I'd rather it was the crook who does the paying.

iv worked in shops & they just claim it back from their insurance.

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Originally Posted by shawty

Are you playing hard to get or what? So downloading MP3's is illegal to, so what, if a certain person reports theft of cable and not theft of MP3's, it might make them a hypocrite, so what? They are still reporting an illegal crime at the end of the day, which is all that matters. Some people might agree or disagree with certain laws, so what? Might make them a hypocrite, so what? An illegal theft has still been reported.

We have been told to stay of the issue of MP3's, so you sitting there all night typing "Again, I have never claimed it wasn't illegal." is not getting us anywhere, I know you never, I never said you did. As we are not supposed to go of topic, he has or wants to report a theft, what more is there to it.

[don_1]

Originally Posted by Enuff

Don_1, if you are going to report this guy, shouldn't you also report the people who are providing the dodgy boxes?

Im going to report BOTH of them on Monday...

[shawty]

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

good point.

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iv worked in shops & they just claim it back from their insurance.

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Oh brilliant reply there, well done.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by shawty

Are you playing hard to get or what?

What do you mean?

So downloading MP3's is illegal to, so what, if a certain person reports theft of cable and not theft of MP3's, it might make them a hypocrite, so what? They are still reporting an illegal crime at the end of the day, which is all that matters. Some people might agree or disagree with certain laws, so what? Might make them a hypocrite, so what? An illegal theft has still been reported.

As I have already explained to you, I'm interested in the motivation and apparent hypocrisy behind how someone might decide to report one type of perceived crime and ignore another. I'm still not sure why this seems to have rattled your cage, or indeed what exactly you're hoping to achieve here, since you clearly have no interest in the complexities of the issue, and just seem irked by the fact that I do. You'll have to excuse me if I'm not content to just sit and throw out completely meaningless phrases like "theft is theft" all night, and instead choose to take a more critical and realistic look at the issue at hand, to the extent possible within the mods' requested constraints, of course.

[shawty]

Originally Posted by supremus

What do you mean?

As I have already explained to you, I'm interested in the motivation and apparent hypocrisy behind how someone might decide to report one type of perceived crime and ignore another. I'm still not sure why this seems to have rattled your cage, or indeed what exactly you're hoping to achieve here, since you clearly have no interest in the complexities of the issue, and just seem irked by the fact that I do. You'll have to excuse me if I'm not content to just sit and throw out completely meaningless phrases like "theft is theft" all night, and instead choose to take a more critical and realistic look at the issue at hand, to the extent possible within the mods' requested constraints, of course.

Look, this is easy. He is reporting a crime, do you get that? He might not think that the copyright law is a good enough law to report, hypocrite? Maybe, so what? Its all subjective anyway, as he has not aired his views on the off topic point. I dont see what more there is to discuss about him reporting a crime, wether you think he should report every crime or not.