*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please. - Page 51

PC_Arcade · 18-02-2005, 15:57

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Originally Posted by orangebird

You can argue that quite legally, you use more than the cap allows. But you'll be in a small minority, and your best option would probably be to find another supplier that suits your needs.

Is that an admission that people who use an internet conection of speed for the ONLY things that need that speed are not wanted?

Seriously though, I don't understand why NTL don't just offer a 300k (or 512 if they wanted to be generous) unlimited option for a sensible price, the amount would be seriously hampered by the speed of the connection and I would rather have the stuff slower and not have to keep my eye on the clock (or usage) than get it quickly and have to make sure I don't go over a set limit arbitrarily imposed by my ISP.

ian@huth · 18-02-2005, 16:00

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Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

Not currently. On-demand services are very new. NTL is making sure I never will be able to. Also, I have 3 PCs connected to my broadband connection, do you really think 1gb a day is enough for 3 experienced PC users?

Many of the new high bandwidth uses for the internet will require a stable connection speed for that one application which can be problematic in multi system homes and on networks that are getting saturated at peak times.

1Gb a day may not be enough for a home network with 3 experienced users. There should be an option that offers users an enhanced service to cater for this at something like 3 times the price.

Graham M · 18-02-2005, 16:03

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Originally Posted by ian@huth

Many of the new high bandwidth uses for the internet will require a stable connection speed for that one application which can be problematic in multi system homes and on networks that are getting saturated at peak times.

1Gb a day may not be enough for a home network with 3 experienced users. There should be an option that offers users an enhanced service to cater for this at something like 3 times the price.

3 times the price, what are you on.

Kevin · 18-02-2005, 16:06

hehehe he lives in a fantasy world......where 2mb is fine for everyone and no one would possibly need more than 640k.

;-)

Hans Gruber · 18-02-2005, 16:09

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Originally Posted by ian@huth

Many of the new high bandwidth uses for the internet will require a stable connection speed for that one application which can be problematic in multi system homes and on networks that are getting saturated at peak times.

1Gb a day may not be enough for a home network with 3 experienced users. There should be an option that offers users an enhanced service to cater for this at something like 3 times the price.

Do you honestly believe 3x price is realistic? If that's a realistic price 1mbit customers with 3gb cap should be paying closer to ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£5 a month. I know from your earlier posts you dislike subsidising anyone that uses more bandwidth than you, but what about all the poor 1mbit customers? They're subsidising something at that price.

Ignition · 18-02-2005, 16:11

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Originally Posted by PC_Arcade

I've posted some examples above

I could quite happily use them every day, and they would take me over 1Gb per day, they are all legal and high bandwidth uses of the internet

I missed a few as well
freeloader, underdogs and NTL broadband+ should be there as well

Kinda of a silly argument and position for you to take when a few of your posts ago you were complaining about P2P speeds though innit:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...715#post399715

ian@huth · 18-02-2005, 16:13

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Originally Posted by Zeph

3 times the price, what are you on.

Why not, most things in life if you want 2 you pay double and treble if you want 3. Some people want more than their fair share of the cake but are not prepared to pay for it. Can you give a justifiable reason why a 3 user household should just pay the same as a single user household?

Hans Gruber · 18-02-2005, 16:13

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Originally Posted by ian@huth

Yes, streaming movies on demand. They do require a constant stream at the speed for the quality they need to be watched in. Not really suited for households with multiple users making their different demands on the internet connection and on ISPs networks that may be suffering contention issues during peak times.

Who said anything about all 3 users needing 100% of the bandwidth all the time? A 2 hour film of acceptable quality (about 1gb) could easily be streamed over a 2mbit connection. With enough left over for others to browse on other PCs.

orangebird · 18-02-2005, 16:14

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Originally Posted by Kevin

hehehe he lives in a fantasy world......where 2mb is fine for everyone and no one would possibly need more than 640k.

;-)

But that's the point - is it need, or just plain want? Why listen to the radio on line when you have a perfectly good stereo in the house. Why watch a movie online when you can watch it on DVD on a tv screen?

For a residential service, no one NEEDS 8meg. No one NEEDS unlimited gigs. But if they want it, yes they should pay for it. At this moment in time, ntl do not offer that kind of service. So, you can either pull your hair out about ntls service, or find a supplier that suits your needs and pay the relative price.

Kevin · 18-02-2005, 16:14

I just don't get the people on this forum, who give a toss wether he uses P2P so do the majority of people otherwise apps like kazza etc wouldnt have 70 million downloads...come on peeps keep it real.

Hans Gruber · 18-02-2005, 16:15

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Originally Posted by ian@huth

Why not, most things in life if you want 2 you pay double and treble if you want 3. Some people want more than their fair share of the cake but are not prepared to pay for it. Can you give a justifiable reason why a 3 user household should just pay the same as a single user household?

Because it's well within the AUP to do so? 3 users could easily use less than 1 heavy user.

PC_Arcade · 18-02-2005, 16:15

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Originally Posted by Ignition

Kinda of a silly argument though when a few of your posts ago you were complaining about P2P speeds though innit:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...715#post399715

Not at all, I never said I didn't use p2p networks as it would have been a lie. OB asked for legit examples of high bandwidth usage, I provided them.

I do not have to justify MY internet useage to anyone, unless NTL contact me IF I go over the cap.

I disagree with the cap and, when and if NTL get in touch I will leave, if NTL make more money because of that, then fair play to them, if not and they lose money then good.

Hans Gruber · 18-02-2005, 16:16

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Originally Posted by orangebird

But that's the point - is it need, or just plain want? Why listen to the radio on line when you have a perfectly good stereo in the house. Why watch a movie online when you can watch it on DVD on a tv screen?

For a residential service, no one NEEDS 8meg. No one NEEDS unlimited gigs. But if they want it, yes they should pay for it. At this moment in time, ntl do not offer that kind of service. So, you can either pull your hair out about ntls service, or find a supplier that suits your needs and pay the relative price.

Why use a telephone when we have a perfectly good postal service?

Kevin · 18-02-2005, 16:19

yeah no one needs 8mb thats why the next version of 3g telephony does speeds upwards of 14mbit hehehehe orangebird you just got electricity where you are then or what ?

orangebird · 18-02-2005, 16:20

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Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

Why use a telephone when we have a perfectly good postal service?

That's a silly example. Telephone is immediate. Post is two days.

Switching my radio on is no slower than logging on to the radio via the internet and using up gigs that way..... :
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Originally Posted by Kevin

yeah no one needs 8mb thats why the next version of 3g telephony does speeds upwards of 14mbit hehehehe orangebird you just got electricty where you are then or what ?

WTF has that got to do with anything? I use a phone to call people, not surf the net???