General : FAQ on Virgin Media's WiFi Sharing

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

[SEPH]: Correct. Public WiFi is turned off when you are in modem mode. That's fairly obvious since the router functions of the SH2 are disabled.

No they are not.

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Originally Posted by roughbeast

The network will also be good for VM's internet telephone calls.

I doubt it. The biggest problem with using any type of wireless network for IP calls is the lack of quality-of-service. Roaming between APs is a pain even on a single-controller corporate network, depending on how the "far end" is set up on a guest-wifi network it may not work at all and just result in dropped connections every 30 seconds.

In the case of the FON network your FON router has to be registered and actively sharing. FON detect from their Spanish base whether or not you are sharing. You get about 6 weeks grace before you lose roaming rights. Within minutes of reconnecting your roaming rights are restored.

Yes, but this isn't FON - and with BT FON they don't detect, so it's all up to the ISP.

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Originally Posted by mmm

do wifi guests get a to use your internet IP?

No, hasn't this been repeated 50 times already?

This wouldn't even be legal in the UK.

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Originally Posted by Kushan

Interesting. I wonder if rebooting kicked someone off the wireless and they've yet to reconnect? I may have to do some experimenting myself. Perhaps a full torrent running on the "guest" wifi to see how it affects my main Wifi.

Even if that were the case, it should not have the effect seen here (aside from possible software bugs on the SH, and don't get me started on that...)

Given the dedicated service flows, and the fact the BQM doesn't monitor "over the wifi" there's no reason any amount of guest wireless load should be affecting it.

[mmm]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

No, hasn't this been repeated 50 times already?

Stated many times a separate connection, and different IP confirmed by Ignitionnet, but what what IP do they get - CG_NAT?

This wouldn't even be legal in the UK.

If I enable guest WIfi on my Asus router, my guests get a isolated local lan IP, but share the WAN IP. If I plug in my Fon device so does anyone passing (via double nat). I am not sure Fon use is within VMs T&Cs, but that's civil contract law not criminal? I don't know how BT Fon works, but the multiple channel nature of VM network seems to offer a much better solution. Various places offer free guest wifi after clicking through web splash screen in an attempt to pass on responsibility for use of connection, but I doubt if record keeping is that high integrity, the ones that require an SMS code at least link to a mobile in the possession of the user.

Can the first post be updated when new facts confirmed? Will wifi sharing ever be enabled on SHUB1 or any SHUB in modem mode? Can I connect to my own shared Wifi connection to make use of the second connection? What control will user have over wifi channels? Wifi sharing only on 2.4GHz, so 5GHZ on SH2 available, but sharing same 2.4GHz on same congested channels would mean guests degrade internal use. A home connection has many users, can remote connection be use any family member, or just one with permission of account holder?

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by mmm

Will wifi sharing ever be enabled on SHUB1 or any SHUB in modem mode?

SH1 possibly. SHUB in modem mode, I wouldn't expect so.

Can I connect to my own shared Wifi connection to make use of the second connection?

The general minimum speed offered by VM soon may well be 100Mbit so why would you want to? Plus few devices would allow you to do that easily, you'd have to choose between one or the other.

A home connection has many users, can remote connection be use any family member, or just one with permission of account holder?

Virgin Media WiFi can be used by anyone that has valid sign in details to the service.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

SHUB in modem mode, I wouldn't expect so.

So the question is:- if you are in modem mode, and can't share, but don't opt out in My Virgin Media, will you still be able to use this service ?

[Sephiroth]

So far the answer to that question has been carefully avoided!

[TAZMANUK]

One would assume if you opt in, new firmware would be deployed forcing the Superhub into Superhub mode and disabling modem mode altogether. Th
at would make sense.

As opting in would be the "send new firmware to disable modem mode, force Superhub mode, or if and when you opted out would send the previous firmware you was on before.

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Just as I posted the above I get the email from Virginmedia saying coming to my area in September lol

[Mr K]

It seems from what's been said you're automatically opted in unless you opt out. So will people in modem mode suddenly find there routers don't work and their wireless now rubbish? Stand by for a few complaints ! There's no way I'm using my Superdud1 in router mode -serves them right for giving customers cruddy equipment. As the Dragons say, I'm out !

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by mmm

If I enable guest WIfi on my Asus router, my guests get a isolated local lan IP, but share the WAN IP. If I plug in my Fon device so does anyone passing (via double nat). I am not sure Fon use is within VMs T&Cs, but that's civil contract law not criminal? I don't know how BT Fon works, but the multiple channel nature of VM network seems to offer a much better solution. Various places offer free guest wifi after clicking through web splash screen in an attempt to pass on responsibility for use of connection, but I doubt if record keeping is that high integrity, the ones that require an SMS code at least link to a mobile in the possession of the user.

Technically you're opening yourself up for criminal liability if someone uses your connection for something illegal. This is unfortunately a side effect of the legal framework in the UK, which has similar impact on places that offer free guest wifi:
http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/mobi...8000-fine-2612

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11...wifi_networks/

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

The general minimum speed offered by VM soon may well be 100Mbit so why would you want to? Plus few devices would allow you to do that easily, you'd have to choose between one or the other.

Not to mention trying to get that over 2.4Ghz wireless reliably.

[jcm193]

I will be opting out as i dont need to use the service my mobile data allowance will be more than enough for me.

[ianch99]

Can the FAQ clarify the relationship between modem mode and WiFi sharing?

Also the point about "will this slow down your connection" is dubious. If you are on an over utilised segment there is no guarentee that the people "lodging" on your conenction will be also on the same segment.

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Out of interest, is there a sensible solution where you might want to opt in and use the new service but still want to retain your (better) router and all the features that come with it?

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Can the FAQ clarify the relationship between modem mode and WiFi sharing?

Also the point about "will this slow down your connection" is dubious. If you are on an over utilised segment there is no guarentee that the people "lodging" on your conenction will be also on the same segment.

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Out of interest, is there a sensible solution where you might want to opt in and use the new service but still want to retain your (better) router and all the features that come with it?

I'm unable to edit the OP, I'm afraid

[thenry]

which is why i suggested a mod kept on top of it!

[General Maximus]

Originally Posted by Mr K

It seems from what's been said you're automatically opted in unless you opt out. So will people in modem mode suddenly find there routers don't work and their wireless now rubbish?

absolutely, that is why I logged in and opted out as soon as they sent me the email explaining it all the other day. I don't think we have ever talked out it on this forum but hopefully there is a large enough number of users (I would guess 25%) that use modem mode that it has made VM pause for thought and address how they are going to get round it.

[Dush]

I'd like to keep modem mode - how do I opt out in my account? I've not received any emails/letters saying I will have access to the service yet.

[General Maximus]

you sign into my virginmedia, click on profile and then scroll all the way down to the bottom to the wifi section and select opt out.