What a hypocrite - Page 5

tweetiepooh · 10-01-2013, 15:46

I can't say that any one group needs help more than another. If someone needs help we should give it and in many 3rd world countries they need help now.

That said there is too much abuse of "the system" both here and abroad. There does need to be a difference between helping those who need it and those who simply want it because it's easy. (Can't work, get help. Won't work, no help.)

And it's easy to pontificate here on what priorities we would have the government follow but with a limited pot and seemingly infinite need how would you really make the decision? You can help people here but then see starvation in Africa, or violence increase to fight over what food there is. Even within the UK where do you put your resource? Keep pouring money into immediate need or try to find long term solutions? If the latter which will help more people over time (and be cheaper freeing money for other needs), what of the individuals who need help now?

10-01-2013, 16:14

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

I can't say that any one group needs help more than another. If someone needs help we should give it and in many 3rd world countries they need help now.

That said there is too much abuse of "the system" both here and abroad. There does need to be a difference between helping those who need it and those who simply want it because it's easy. (Can't work, get help. Won't work, no help.)

And it's easy to pontificate here on what priorities we would have the government follow but with a limited pot and seemingly infinite need how would you really make the decision? You can help people here but then see starvation in Africa, or violence increase to fight over what food there is. Even within the UK where do you put your resource? Keep pouring money into immediate need or try to find long term solutions? If the latter which will help more people over time (and be cheaper freeing money for other needs), what of the individuals who need help now?

This is a good post and you are right ,the government are in an impossible position and a lot of the decisions that must be made are not ones that i wold like to make especially when the voters are as fickle as us brits

Sirius · 10-01-2013, 16:34

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Originally Posted by Damien

Because this fact is misunderstood. Logically that wouldn't work. In the EU the idea is that they're shared amongst countries so that those on the border do not take all of them and the other member states have none.

This is actually what happens for the most part:

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/sta...20121012123334

France: 57.355
Germany: 53,225
Italy: 34,114
United Kingdom: 26,430
Sweden: 29,670
Switzerland: 23,625

I take it those figures don't take into account the ones who get in here illegally and disappear.

Gary L · 10-01-2013, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Sirius

I take it those figures don't take into account the ones who get in here illegally and disappear.

They can't do. I can account for nearly 26,000 of them being around the corner and just up the road

Sirius · 10-01-2013, 16:49

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Originally Posted by Gary L

They can't do. I can account for nearly 26,000 of them being around the corner and just up the road

Not a lot in your area then

10-01-2013, 16:59

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They can't do. I can account for nearly 26,000 of them being around the corner and just up the road

and that's just the corner shop ,even more in the kebab shop

Osem · 10-01-2013, 17:04

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Originally Posted by Sirius

I take it those figures don't take into account the ones who get in here illegally and disappear.

Course not - the official figures are nonsense.

**Damien** · 10-01-2013, 21:36

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Originally Posted by Sirius

I take it those figures don't take into account the ones who get in here illegally and disappear.

Well it depends. A lot of illegal immigrants are people who abscond if their application fails. It doesn't take into account those who have got here and never had any contact with the authorities but then the same is true of the rest too.

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Originally Posted by Osem

Course not - the official figures are nonsense.

Why? Are the EU hiding applications for Asylum? Why would they do that? I don't see any reason for the EU to hide that as France and Germany wouldn't be happy with having almost twice as many applications as us!