Illegal Cable Box

[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

I'd rather steal cable and give the money to the poor instead.

Virgin trying to cut people of is actually causing poor people to suffer.

A disgrace!

lol

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Originally Posted by Jelly

I scoff at your attempts to justify stealing cable, children.

*SCOFF*

You're relying on others to pay for your service. Without paying customers, Virgin wouldn't be providing TV in the first place. If you steal cable, it puts extra strain on VM's network, regardless of whether it can handle it or not, and this translates as increased prices for legitimate customers. This doesn't happen with Music or other copyrighted material, so why compare the two. Clutching at straws?

it would seem that way wouldnt it.

[shawty]

Originally Posted by supremus

You misunderstand. I'm not saying it isn't theft, I'm not even saying he shouldn't report any would-be offenders, I just find it curious why someone might have such a chip on his shoulder about this particular "crime", but will turn a blind eye to equally or far more severe offences. If people are consistent across the board, and take an equally dim view on cable and MP3 theft, it would be a different matter. I wonder why you would take issue with me trying to bring a balanced perspective to the discussion, and why you and others keep claiming "theft is theft" while dodging the MP3 question? Isn't that theft too?

I have dodged no MP3 question, I answered that last time we had this debate. Why the need to bring it in again, someone is stealing cable, that is theft and someone is going to report it, that someone has (as far as Im aware) never said anything about MP3's anyway, so his view on that has not been aired.

[the-cable-guy]

gotta agree with him on this one.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by Jelly

You're relying on others to pay for your service. Without paying customers, Virgin wouldn't be providing TV in the first place.

If you actually read up on this subject, it's quite clear that Virgin make a lot of money off people who maintain a minimum subscription, and maybe even take broadband and phone services with them, and then leech the premium channels. The cable TV issue is so insignificant that Virgin were at one stage considering throwing in their TV package for free to people who took their other services, which is where they make their money.

If you steal cable, it puts extra strain on VM's network, regardless of whether it can handle it or not, and this translates as increased prices for legitimate customers. This doesn't happen with Music or other copyrighted material,

Music theft is arguably a more costly "crime" than stealing cable, and it's an offence that has been prosecuted numerous times in courts of law across the world. This isn't really the case for cable theft.

so why compare the two. Clutching at straws?

Just trying to see if the "theft is theft" argument holds up. So far, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Originally Posted by shawty

I have dodged no MP3 question, I answered that last time we had this debate.

I must have missed your answer, then. So you're in favor of reporting 95% of all iPod owners to the authorities, including any friends and family members you might know, who listen to illegal MP3s?

Why the need to bring it in again, someone is stealing cable, that is theft and someone is going to report it, that someone has (as far as Im aware) never said anything about MP3's anyway, so his view on that has not been aired.

Exactly. I would be curious to hear his view on it, though. That's somewhat the point here.

[shawty]

Originally Posted by supremus

If you actually read up on this subject, it's quite clear that Virgin make a lot of money off people who maintain a minimum subscription, and maybe even take broadband and phone services with them, and then leech the premium channels. The cable TV issue is so insignificant that Virgin were at one stage considering throwing in their TV package for free to people who took their other services, which is where they make their money.

Music theft is arguably a more costly "crime" than stealing cable, and it's an offence that has been prosecuted numerous times in courts of law across the world. This isn't really the case for cable theft.

Just trying to see if the "theft is theft" argument holds up. So far, that doesn't seem to be the case.

I must have missed your answer, then. So you're in favor of reporting 95% of all iPod owners to the authorities, including any friends and family members you might know, who listen to illegal MP3s?

Exactly. I would be curious to hear his view on it, though. That's somewhat the point here.

Im not going through it for the third time. Stealing cable is theft, someone is going to report it, whats your problem here? Ok someone might be a hypocrite, its still illegal and still going to get reported.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by shawty

Im not going through it for the third time. Stealing cable is theft, someone is going to report it, whats your problem here?

I refer you to a previous post in this thread where I said the following:

"I'm not saying it isn't theft, I'm not even saying he shouldn't report any would-be offenders..."

You still seem to be under the impression that I don't think it's theft, or that he shouldn't report it. I can't really continue the discussion on the basis of such a falsity.

Ok someone might be a hypocrite, its still illegal and still going to get reported.

Yes, and I am curious to know if he would also report MP3 theft, speeding and other crimes, if friends and family were involved. Do you mind me trying to understand the mentality of people like that?

[shawty]

Originally Posted by supremus

I refer you to a previous post in this thread where I said the following:

"I'm not saying it isn't theft, I'm not even saying he shouldn't report any would-be offenders..."

You still seem to be under the impression that I don't think it's theft, or that he shouldn't report it. I can't really continue the discussion on the basis of such a falsity.

Yes, and I am curious to know if he would also report MP3 theft, speeding and other crimes, if friends and family were involved. Do you mind me trying to understand the mentality of people like that?

You will get an answer of yes he would report them or no he wouldnt, which the answer no is what your looking for. If it is a no, it makes him a hypocrite, so what, he is still reporting a theft. This thread is about cable, not MP3's.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by shawty

You will get an answer of yes he would report them or no he wouldnt, which the answer no is what your looking for. If it is a no, it makes him a hypocrite, so what, he is still reporting a theft.

I once again fail to see which point you're trying to make. Again, it seems to be one based on a misunderstanding about my motives here. Slightly OT question: Was it you who also called me a cable thief in the Chipped Boxes thread recently? I don't mind, I just seem to remember someone doing that, after I had already denounced Virgin's crappy service altogether, and stated that I was a sat guy.

This thread is about cable, not MP3's.

It's about someone wanting to report someone else for "theft". I am curious about the motivation behind it all. Is that ok?

[Russ]

This thread is about theft of VM services, NOT mp3 files.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by Russ B

This thread is about theft of VM services, NOT mp3 files.

The audio track on Virgin's digital cable service is MP3, which is why I think the issue is relevant to other forms of MP3 "theft". Should I consider this an official moderator request to drop the issue, though, or in light of MP3 in fact being relevant to the subject, can we continue discussing the motivation behind this?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by supremus

Should I consider this an official moderator request to drop the issue

Yes.

From experience if this goes off towards mp3 theft then we'll be moving on to what the law actually states about music, copyright business etc, price of music shouldn't be so high, DRM etc.

Threads like that always get contentious and I don't know how many other mods are on this evening but I don't fancy handling it on my own.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Yes.

From experience if this goes off towards mp3 theft then we'll be moving on to what the law actually states about music, copyright business etc, price of music shouldn't be so high, DRM etc.

Threads like that always get contentious and I don't know how many other mods are on this evening but I don't fancy handling it on my own.

Fair enough.

Originally Posted by kpanchev

If you want to grass your neighbour, you should have the courage to face him after that, otherwise you are worse than him!

Eh?How can you say that?

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I've just read this entire thread and I'm astounded.

I bet the anti grassers would be the FIRST to complain if it was them who was the victim of theft.

I also bet they are the ones who habitually claim that the police do nothing about crime.Well yes of course they don't IF NO ONE TELLS THEM A CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED and that would be grassing wouldn't it?

That attitude is frankly moronic.

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Eh?How can you say that?

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I've just read this entire thread and I'm astounded.

I bet the anti grassers would be the FIRST to complain if it was them who was the victim of theft.

I also bet they are the ones who habitually claim that the police do nothing about crime.Well yes of course they don't IF NO ONE TELLS THEM A CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED and that would be grassing wouldn't it?

That attitude is frankly moronic.

I couldn't agree more Icognitas, how on earth is anything going to get better if nobody is prepared to do anything. And to fall back on the "I'm not a grass" excuse is as you say moronic, I would have thought that would have been left in the playground or the exercise yard where it belongs.

[shawty]

Originally Posted by supremus

I once again fail to see which point you're trying to make. Again, it seems to be one based on a misunderstanding about my motives here. Slightly OT question: Was it you who also called me a cable thief in the Chipped Boxes thread recently? I don't mind, I just seem to remember someone doing that, after I had already denounced Virgin's crappy service altogether, and stated that I was a sat guy.

It's about someone wanting to report someone else for "theft". I am curious about the motivation behind it all. Is that ok?

Its illegal, its theft, thats the motivation of reporting someone.