CableForum & NTL to meet - Page 5

Nemesis · 13-04-2005, 09:23

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Originally Posted by Robert Atkins

How about their unofficial site: chetnet?

You mean the one that's down at the moment

Robert Atkins · 13-04-2005, 09:34

It is indeed un-official and ..."down" at the moment.

But it is used extensively & exclusively by NTL for trials etc. I have no idea who Chet is but Peter M (Patrmigan), Pointman, Bomber etc are all NTL employees running trials, helping customers etc

(BTW I have not visited chetnet for ages so my info is not much up to date)

I was just saying that NTL has an online outlet albeit unofficial

Pierre · 13-04-2005, 10:27

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Originally Posted by Neil

Sceptical, but optimistic.

Frank & I have been through these meetings before (with the King BS-er Aizad

), yet Mick & Nem came away feeling positive, & I trust their judgement.

I do have my own feelings on the whole issue, but I'll reserve judgement & maybe get proven wrong (unlikely

)

I've been at ntl long enough to know that nothing will come of this.

If I am proven wrong, I'll show my Ar*se on Hook building 270 steps (just in front of Duffys Bentley)

13-04-2005, 10:33

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I've been at ntl long enough to know that nothing will come of this.

If I am proven wrong, I'll show my Ar*se on Hook building 270 steps (just in front of Duffys Bentley)

Mick and Nem, if ever there was an incentive....

And Pierre, we will of course expect photographic evidence should a positive outcome be achieved (but please make sure it's clean and, if necessary, neatly combed!!

Russ · 13-04-2005, 10:44

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Originally Posted by Robert Atkins

I was just saying that NTL has an online outlet albeit unofficial

Going on what you say about Chetnet, NTL have numerous unofficial sites such as this and ntlh.

scrotnig · 13-04-2005, 11:51

To be honest, knowing ntl as I do, none of it means anything until they actually DO something.

They are always promising the earth and delivering nothing.

**Mick** · 13-04-2005, 12:07

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Originally Posted by Robert Atkins

It is indeed un-official and ..."down" at the moment.

But it is used extensively & exclusively by NTL for trials etc. I have no idea who Chet is but Peter M (Patrmigan), Pointman, Bomber etc are all NTL employees running trials, helping customers etc

I PM'd Pointman ages ago and offered a trial forum here but nothing came of it because the trials team and admins, I am told, aren't that keen of this forum. Everyone, I guess has their own preferences and I am not going to lose the plot worrying about who likes who or what.

I got an e-mail a few weeks ago telling me our site url had been added to chetnet's swear filter, whether there is any truth to this is another matter, I care not. I think it was an attempt to upset me or wind me up and provoke me but it did absolutely niether of these and binned it got. We also keep getting e-mails from a weirdo trying to spark off a war again between ntlhell, again I am not interested, nor do I want to waste any energy wondering whats happening on other sites. I am sure they serve their purpose, members and visitors very well but this site is the one where my energy is focused and I am sure the admins of other sites feel exactly the same way to their sites.

Ben · 13-04-2005, 12:10

Umm guys...

We have tried this before if you remember. What makes you think there gonna listen...cause they sure didn't when me and Neil went and saw Aizad Hussain. He tbh just didn't care that I slapped a whole 200 page print out of the problem thread on NTHW

etccarmageddon · 13-04-2005, 12:43

to the doubters there is one crumb of comfort re all this - they contacted Mick and others and not the other way round. So perhaps this time there is someone in charge who wants to use the internet forums positively.

ian@huth · 13-04-2005, 12:44

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Originally Posted by Ben

Umm guys...

We have tried this before if you remember. What makes you think there gonna listen...cause they sure didn't when me and Neil went and saw Aizad Hussain. He tbh just didn't care that I slapped a whole 200 page print out of the problem thread on NTHW

Ever heard of the saying "if at first you don't succeed, try, try, try and try again" or something like that.

Remember the spider!

Things may not have happened in the past but that doesn't mean the same situation will remain for ever more. Since Simon Duffy came on the scene there have been the biggest changes that NTL has ever known. He isn't just sitting on his backside and doing nothing, he is taking far reaching measures to alter the situation. Changes take time and problems will occur during the period of change but the end result should be worth it. If you haven't already read Simon's (Nemesis) article at http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=27176 then do so as it explains a lot and gvies hope for the future.

This site and NTL can work together to benefit both the company and its customers but members have to want this to develop. How much help a company (or person) is prepared to give is dependent on how the help is asked for and how much respect is shown to the ones being asked to help.

Nemesis · 13-04-2005, 12:47

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Originally Posted by Ben

Umm guys...

We have tried this before if you remember. What makes you think there gonna listen...cause they sure didn't when me and Neil went and saw Aizad Hussain. He tbh just didn't care that I slapped a whole 200 page print out of the problem thread on NTHW

I agree Ben, you and the others did do this before, but I am not going to pass up an oppurtunity to see if we can actually push the issues forward when we have the ear of Simon Duffy and Peter Wilcock.

They invited us in, to listen to what we had to say, and this interaction is now public on here. It's up to them to make sure that they take this oppurtunity to listen and do something.

If nothing comes of this for whatever reason, at least there is this public record that we tried.

Neil · 13-04-2005, 13:05

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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

to the doubters there is one crumb of comfort re all this - they contacted Mick and others and not the other way round. So perhaps this time there is someone in charge who wants to use the internet forums positively.

That's not quite right...

Yes-they contacted us, but only after Mick & Nem were, shall we say persistant in their communications with Simon Duffy.

Yes, ntl instigated the meet up, but only after Mick/Nem kept on drawing their attention to the issues that their customers suffer.

I have no doubt in my mind that if we hadn't been making that contact, then no meeting would ever have been suggested by ntl.
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Originally Posted by Nemesis

I agree Ben, you and the others did do this before, but I am not going to pass up an oppurtunity to see if we can actually push the issues forward when we have the ear of Simon Duffy and Peter Wilcock.

Peter Wilcock was 'in charge' of NTHW.com, & look what happened to that.

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Originally Posted by Nemesis

They invited us in, to listen to what we had to say, and this interaction is now public on here.

As Aizad did with Frank & I before, when we were invited to attend meetings in all of the regional head offices.

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Originally Posted by Nemesis

It's up to them to make sure that they take this oppurtunity to listen and do something.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Nemesis

If nothing comes of this for whatever reason, at least there is this public record that we tried.

Agreed again!

Robert Atkins · 13-04-2005, 13:06

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Originally Posted by Mick

I PM'd Pointman ages ago and offered a trial forum here but nothing came of it because the trials team and admins, I am told, aren't that keen of this forum. Everyone, I guess has their own preferences and I am not going to lose the plot worrying about who likes who or what.

This is very disappointing. This forum is the place to "pick up" trialists. Pointman and Peter M left all sites but the Chet one. I am wondering whether this was an order from above.

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Originally Posted by Mick

I got an e-mail a few weeks ago telling me our site url had been added to chetnet's swear filter, whether there is any truth to this is another matter,

I can confirm that www.cableforum.co.uk is not in chetnet's swear filter, just tried it and then removed the relevant message.

ntluser · 13-04-2005, 13:21

The last time that NTL became involved with NTHellWorld.com, it was taken over and within a short while had gone. It was effectively a way of removing all the negative comments by NTL customers, which were being posted regularly.

Fortunately, someone had the foresight to set up NTHellworld.co.uk otherwise all the NTL customers would not have had a means of maintaining the NTHW community and voicing their complaints and praise.

I'd be highly suspicious of an NTL approach, and I'd be making certain that alternative Cable Forum domain names were in place to ensure that the same thing does not happen again.

Oh for the days when we had Miss Moneypenny? I wonder what ever happened to her. She was the best advert NTL ever had.

Nemesis · 13-04-2005, 13:23

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Originally Posted by ntluser

The last time that NTL became involved with NTHellWorld.com, it was taken over and within a short while had gone. It was effectively a way of removing all the negative comments by NTL customers, which were being posted regularly.

Fortunately, someone had the foresight to set up NTHellworld.co.uk otherwise all the NTL customers would not have had a means of maintaining the NTHW community and voicing their complaints and praise.

I'd be highly suspicious of an NTL approach, and I'd be making certain that alternative Cable Forum domain names were in place to ensure that the same thing does not happen again.

Oh for the days when we had Miss Moneypenny? I wonder what ever happened to her. She was the best advert NTL ever had.

Be assured, once bitten twice shy. There will be NO dealings with ntl in regard to ownership of this site.