NTL promoting copyright infringement

[duncant403]

Originally posted by orangebird
I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH A LOAD OF HYPOCRITICAL SANCTIMONIOUS BUNCH OF CODSWALLOP IN MY LIFE!!!

Hands up all of you who have never downloaded a movie or a album etc? (roll in the tumble weeds.....)

That's not the point. I'm not a company promoting my services for illegal activities. NTL are trying to make money by promoting illegal activities. That is the difference.

Duncan

[orangebird]

Originally posted by th'engineer
Stop trying to defend NTL this time the advert and the aup conditions contridict each other.

Was only a matter of time before someboday tried to defend the undefendable.

I am not 'defending' them at all - I haven't once said what they're doing is good. It's the hypocrisy I can't stand

Have you never downloaded a movie or some music?

Originally posted by Roger K
Anyone want to tip off El Reg or Amy @ The Mirror, Russ?

Sent to bbc news online this morning:

Hi Mark,

You don't know me ... a friend in the PR industry passed me your name as the main contact at BBC online for technology stories.

I thought you might be interested in an advert placed by NTL in this week's Leeds Weekly News (4 September issue). I have attached a scan of the item, which was originally posted here: http://www.nthellworld.co.uk/forum/s...&threadid=2395 nthellworld.co.uk is an independent discussion forum for disaffected ntl tv/phone/internet customers.

In the column on the left, NTL lists four apparent benefits of having broadband internet. Two of these appear to offer illegal movie downloads as a positive benefit - namely '400,000 - 600,000 movies are downloaded every day' and 'Spiderman was available on the net before it was even in the cinema'. There is a supporting picture of Spiderman under the text.

As an ntl customer I think it a little strange that the company should be using my monthly subscription to pay for adverts that appear to be promoting illegal downloading from the internet.

Kind regards

[duncant403]

Originally posted by Andre
FAO duncant403

Would it be at all possible for you to send 'The Engineer' a copy of the newspaper that carried this advertisment?

I only have the one copy - it's a free paper so I can just go out and buy some more copies. I may be able to get hold of some more copies from neighbours.

Duncan

[orangebird]

Originally posted by duncant403
That's not the point. I'm not a company promoting my services for illegal activities. NTL are trying to make money by promoting illegal activities. That is the difference.

Duncan

It is very much the point. It's about double standards. An awful lot of you seem to have bee's in your bonnets about the cap etc, and incredibly personal vendettas against ntl.

If you can honestly say you have never illegally downloaded from the internet, then I applaude you my friends, fill your boots and take them to court.

Otherwise, take your hypocritical morals and put them where the sun doesn't shine.

[Stuart W]

When I was a child I used to go scrumping... (stealing fruit / veg from farms) does that mean that I am now unable to report a thief to the police for stealing my car?

Another scenario....

I have been to a public all box and lied to the opperator telling her I had put 10p in the phone but it did not register, thereby making a call at the expence of BT. Does that mean that BT can now bill me £500 per month? after all, I 'stoll' 10p from them, so BT can 'steal' from me via my bill.

[th'engineer]

Orangebird stop digging they have blown it this time

Originally posted by orangebird
It is very much the point. It's about double standards. An awful lot of you seem to have bee's in your bonnets about the cap etc, and incredibly personal vendettas against ntl.

If you can honestly say you have never illegally downloaded from the internet, then I applaude you my friends, fill your boots and take them to court.

Otherwise, take your hypocritical morals and put them where the sun doesn't shine.

Orangebird, your loyalty to your employer is commendable. There aren't many staff who stick around this forum and keep wading thru all the stuff that gets posted here. But I think you're beginning to take this 'defend ntl at all costs' thing a bit too far. You're right, everyone on this board has done something wrong at some point in their lives, that's human nature. But if that was a reason to stop us addressing other wrongs, we would pretty quickly end up living in anarchy.

Just to address the central point of this thread, do you accept that ntl appears to be suggesting illegal downloads is a good reason to subscribe to its broadband internet service?

[th'engineer]

British Code of Advertising, Sales
Promotion and Direct Marketing (the rulebook used by the ASA) states:

2.2 All marketing communications should be prepared with a sense of
responsibility to consumers and to society.

4.1 Marketers have primary responsibility for ensuring that their
marketing communications are legal. Marketing communications should comply
with the law and should not incite anyone to break it.

[orangebird]

Originally posted by towny
Orangebird, your loyalty to your employer is commendable. There aren't many staff who stick around this forum and keep wading thru all the stuff that gets posted here. But I think you're beginning to take this 'defend ntl at all costs' thing a bit too far. You're right, everyone on this board has done something wrong at some point in their lives, that's human nature. But if that was a reason to stop us addressing other wrongs, we would pretty quickly end up living in anarchy.

Just to address the central point of this thread, do you accept that ntl appears to be suggesting illegal downloads is a good reason to subscribe to its broadband internet service?

Yes, I fully accept it. And please don't patronise me with regard to my 'loyalty to my employer'.
But I stated in an earlier post, it's not about defending my employer, in fact it has bugger all to do with it. It's the hypocrisy that makes me choke.

Originally posted by orangebird
Yes, I fully accept it. And please don't patronise me with regard to my 'loyalty to my employer'.
But I stated in an earlier post, it's not about defending my employer, in fact it has bugger all to do with it. It's the hypocrisy that makes me choke.

I'm not trying to patronize you, I'm bending over backwards trying not to start a slanging match. Please don't assume that everyone on this board is hell bent on causing mayhem and hurling insults.

[orangebird]

Originally posted by Andre
It is ntl that are being hypocritical here I believe.

They are (underhandedly) promoting their broadband service using the Spiderman movie as a good reason to have broadband in my opinion, yet when you get their broadband package, you find out the 'service' is capped and less than reliable as a whole (let's not mention email)

Nice try Andre, but that is not the point. ntl say you can download a movie (which you can, regardless of the 'cap') as long as you don't download more than 3 in 14 days... - what's underhand about that?

And no, let's not mention email, as it has nothing to do with this thread.

I personally think any response form th elike so fth eBBC is going to be poor.

I doubt they will run and articles on the 6 o clock news because NTL have a poorly worded advert ina local free paper in Leeds.

Come on people live in the freakin real world here.


400,000 to 600,000 movie downloads, what about movie trailers? they are legal, what about the files that people have created, say the transforming car the ****es on a dog?

Some people on here want to find something better to do with their time. Its and advert, they are words on a page, what I refer to is effects on REAL things, I can tell you now, I am going to be more than ****ed at some of you IF I end up not being able to have ANY kind of BB connection. An exageration I have already admitted, but NTL are THE company here, I wont ever get ADSL I liove too far away from the nearest exchange.

Anmd if S.W had illegally uncapped his CM you are damned lucky NTL didnt prosecute you for Fraud, but hey thats OK isnt it, because you defrauded NTL.

Saying that NTL have made a big mistake with an advert is enough.
Being ****ed at the cap is one thing, but as orangebird says, the actions here are not going to help have the cap lifted, any network upgrading done and it will certainly prevent any kind of 2 Mb service.
Make your choices guys, I'd rather have a decent network , no cap and a 2mb service.

What should have been done is a protest to NTL, THEN maybe going to TS. but no thats not how you worked is it? No NTL didnt have a problem with misswording or clarity on services, no you want to take them down for promoting copyright theft.

However if your so intent on taking NTL down, I hope that you will feel happy about it, when the customers turn around and firmly blame YOU for this situation.

Originally posted by timewarrior2001
I personally think any response form th elike so fth eBBC is going to be poor.

I doubt they will run and articles on the 6 o clock news because NTL have a poorly worded advert ina local free paper in Leeds.

Come on people live in the freakin real world here.

I agree. The bloke I wrote to is the technology correspondent for BBC News Online, he doesn't work in TV or Radio. Having worked in the media and PR, I do know a thing or two about correct targeting of potential stories. It's not going to make the TV news but it stands a realistic chance of getting on BBC news online.

[th'engineer]

Originally posted by orangebird
Nice try Andre, but that is not the point. ntl say you can download a movie (which you can, regardless of the 'cap') - what's underhand about that?

And no, let's not mention email, as it has nothing to do with this thread.

Come on OB not like you to be down just got an e-mail from ASA quoting British Code of Advertising, Sales
Promotion and Direct Marketing (the rulebook used by the ASA) states:

2.2 All marketing communications should be prepared with a sense of
responsibility to consumers and to society.

4.1 Marketers have primary responsibility for ensuring that their
marketing communications are legal. Marketing communications should comply
with the law and should not incite anyone to break it.

They have blown it complaint in, everyone please use online form at ASA