Reform UK's chronicles

[1andrew1]

Little point in discussing Reform's immigration plans as they will have changed by the time you've finished posting!

[Sephiroth]

I had hoped that Farage would have been smarter. It's a bad show to announce a policy and then have to row back on a part of that policy. I'm quite a hawk on the small boats subject, but women and children are not men of military age.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I had hoped that Farage would have been smarter. It's a bad show to announce a policy and then have to row back on a part of that policy. I'm quite a hawk on the small boats subject, but women and children are not men of military age.

i would put the children into care and deport the parents as imo anyone who puts a child on one of those boats is unfit to have them, they are perfectly safe in France and there is no need to endanger children in this way

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i would put the children into care and deport the parents as imo anyone who puts a child on one of those boats is unfit to have them, they are perfectly safe in France and there is no need to endanger children in this way

You can't just deport them to France anymore without France agreeing.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I had hoped that Farage would have been smarter. It's a bad show to announce a policy and then have to row back on a part of that policy. I'm quite a hawk on the small boats subject, but women and children are not men of military age.

Is today's Reform policy on immigration any different than the Conservative's?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1;36201808[B

]You can't just deport them to France[/B] anymore without France agreeing.

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Is today's Reform policy on immigration any different than the Conservative's?

i didn't say deport them to France i said they are safe in France

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i didn't say deport them to France i said they are safe in France

They're safe in many countries but how is that relevant? Most refugees, asylum seekers and economic migrants stay in Europe but don't come to the UK.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You can't just deport them to France anymore without France agreeing.

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Is today's Reform policy on immigration any different than the Conservative's?

Jenrick apart, the Conservatives have been fairly quiet on the immigration topic other than to criticise Labour.

That said, the Conservatives and Reform should somehow support each other to make a formidable alternative to Labour. However, we have another 4 years of Labour and anything can happen in that time - especially if Labour read the runes correctly and do something about the ECHR and the UN refugee convention.

It plays into Labour’s hands that the two parties ‘of the right’ should be at war with each other, even if the Tories deserve the criticism.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Jenrick apart, the Conservatives have been fairly quiet on the immigration topic other than to criticise Labour.

That said, the Conservatives and Reform should somehow support each other to make a formidable alternative to Labour. However, we have another 4 years of Labour and anything can happen in that time - especially if Labour read the runes correctly and do something about the ECHR and the UN refugee convention.

It plays into Labour’s hands that the two parties ‘of the right’ should be at war with each other, even if the Tories deserve the criticism.

Talking about immigration plays into Reform's hands. Labour should be talking about the NHS and policy areas where it polls strongest in. Farage has successfully got the media and nation discussing his agenda where Reform polls strongest on.

[Sephiroth]

When Labour tries to shift their narrative, they are brought straight back to thevFarage agenda.

But Reform should look beyond that and study what needs to be done for the economy, get it endorsed by theIFS etc, and beme fully credible.

[Carth]

Apparently we need immigration to help the economy grow, while businesses are laying off staff or closing.

On the other hand:

If you want your nails painted a pretty colour - 6 establishments per square mile.
Fancy chicken nuggets and fries? - 17 establishments per square mile.
Need that hair cutting? - 8 establishments per square mile.
Getting the car washed - 12 establishments per square mile.
Need advice on home energy efficiency? - you'll usually get an unsolicited phone call 7 times a day

Planning a train journey? - check the 'strikes' timetable
Need a doctors appointment? - set the alarm for 7:30 am and get in the phone queue to grab one of the 7 appointments available
Have a query about a change of disability benefits? - expect being shunted around on the phone all day and still get no answer.
Need a dentist? - good luck on that one.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

When Labour tries to shift their narrative, they are brought straight back to thevFarage agenda.

But Reform should look beyond that and study what needs to be done for the economy, get it endorsed by theIFS etc, and beme fully credible.

They're just clever populists saying what they need to say to get elected. They're not worried about balancing the books or having a strategy for productivity and growth.