[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

So, ignore the thing that chose the current government, and puts us in the position we are...

If you caveat your proposition enough, I am sure eventually you might come up with a winning argument...

Life isn't binary - I can agree with someone on some things, but disagree on others; you seem to be saying it's all or nothing, but real life isn't like that.

[Osem]

Clearly if you think that Labour are a bunch of loony cretins you must be a dyed in the wool Tory toff...

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So, ignore the thing that chose the current government, and puts us in the position we are...

If you caveat your proposition enough, I am sure eventually you might come up with a winning argument...

Life isn't binary - I can agree with someone on some things, but disagree on others; you seem to be saying it's all or nothing, but real life isn't like that.

You are dancing around the problem because you cannot face the uncomfortable truth That's ok, you can say it: you don't trust George on important economic decisions. That's fine, a lot of other people don't either ..

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Originally Posted by Osem

Clearly if you think that Labour are a bunch of loony cretins you must be a dyed in the wool Tory toff...

Another classic zero add contribution ..

Strange, isn't it, your obsession with binary decisions.

I agree with you on some things, and disagree on others - but according to your 'logic', I have to either agree or disagree on all things.

Is that how you live your real life, or just the online one?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

: you don't trust George on important economic decisions. That's fine, a lot of other people don't either ..

I trust George more than I was willing to trust Ed Balls in the " election"

I'll listen to George's opinion on the "EU issue" as I will listen to many expert opinions, and then make up my own mind.

That's how rational people usually reach a decision.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I trust George more than I was willing to trust Ed Balls in the " election"

I'll listen to George's opinion on the "EU issue" as I will listen to many expert opinions, and then make up my own mind.

That's how rational people usually reach a decision.

Do you think George is mistaken when he concludes:

Mr Osborne said talk of leaving the EU was "not some political parlour game", highlighting the recent fall in the value of the sterling to illustrate his point. "This is about people's jobs and their livelihoods and their living standards, and in my judgement as chancellor leaving the EU would represent a profound economic shock for our country, for all of us and I'm going to do everything I can to prevent that happening."

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Do you think George is mistaken when he concludes:

I don't think you can use the word " mistaken" it's his considered opinion and he's entitled to it. Other opinions will also be available and I'll take them all into account when I come to reach my decision.

[richard s]

One can only cut so much meat of the bone. If George gets it wrong or pees of the Britsh Public to much than his rear-end will be on the line.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I don't think you can use the word " mistaken" it's his considered opinion and he's entitled to it. Other opinions will also be available and I'll take them all into account when I come to reach my decision.

Ok, so when he concludes that it is wrong to leave the EU on economic grounds it is just his opinion and consequently he may be deemed wrong but when he concludes we should implement an austerity programme, it is sound fiscal prudence ... seems like double standards to me ..

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Ok, so when he concludes that it is wrong to leave the EU on economic grounds it is just his opinion and consequently he may be deemed wrong but when he concludes we should implement an austerity programme, it is sound fiscal prudence ... seems like double standards to me ..

We already have double standards with one pay policy for MPs, CEOs, Tory Donors etc and another pay policy for ordinary members of the public.

Originally Posted by ianch99

Ok, so when he concludes that it is wrong to leave the EU on economic grounds it is just his opinion and consequently he may be deemed wrong but when he concludes we should implement an austerity programme, it is sound fiscal prudence ... seems like double standards to me ..

You make it sound like these things are based solely on his input and decision-making - there was me thinking we had a parliamentary democracy, where his decisions are voted upon by either his colleagues, the House of Commons, or the electorate....

[Gary L]

Dave the bully is being told to stop being a bully or they'll take him out.

by his own men. can you believe it?

God is being told that he's getting too big for his boots.

Looks like the Thatcher thing is coming around again.
Dave will be crying at the door.

C'ya Dave!

and remember to take a pen at the vote out of the EU thing.
don't let them give you a pencil like they did with the last election thing. otherwise they'll just rub your cross out again.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Dave the bully is being told to stop being a bully or they'll take him out.

by his own men. can you believe it?

God is being told that he's getting too big for his boots.

Looks like the Thatcher thing is coming around again.
Dave will be crying at the door.

C'ya Dave!

and remember to take a pen at the vote out of the EU thing.
don't let them give you a pencil like they did with the last election thing. otherwise they'll just rub your cross out again.

bbbbut that's how a dictatorship works ,how can you have a vote that is representative of daves view if you use a pen????

[Osem]

A government analysis says the economy, financial markets and the rights of Britons living overseas could be affected during a complex negotiation to "unravel" the UK's membership.

But Commons leader Chris Grayling, who is campaigning for a UK exit, said the 10-year claim was "ludicrous".

He accused the government of running a "relentless campaign of fear".

The government's analysis comes amid a row about the conditions under which anti-EU ministers such as Mr Grayling are being allowed to campaign for a vote to leave in the 23 June referendum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-35685656

[ntluser]

David Cameron must be desperate to keep us in the EU judging by the steps he is taking.

It is about as brave as punching someone who has their hands tied behind their back.