Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Now, now.

If 200 terrorists were charred beyond recognition you can’t discount the probability that some of the civilians or captured Israeli military in the same cars or homes as terrorists might have been “collateral damaged” by Israel.

Sorry John, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Israel would obviously know exactly who is unaccounted for.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Sorry John, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Israel would obviously know exactly who is unaccounted for.

I’m not disputing who is unaccounted for. I’m disputing the cause of death.

Your specific rhetoric “brutally killed” isn’t compatible with the terminology used if they died under Israeli fire. That’s collateral damage. Bad stuff happens in war. Etc. etc.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Israel has revised downwards it’s estimate of those killed on October 7 to “around 1200” having initially included some terrorists.

And………..


Breaking news, Hamas has revised the estimates of those jews killed on Oct 7th to have been totally killed by by terrorists mobilised by them.

Israel also agreed that the murderous groups enacting sub-human barbarism acts taking pleasure and celebrating killing babies, children and women, may have included some terrorists

Those pesky terrorists

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

And………..

Breaking news, Hamas has revised the estimates of those jews killed on Oct 7th to have been totally killed by by terrorists mobilised by them.

Israel also agreed that the murderous groups enacting sub-human barbarism acts taking pleasure and celebrating killing babies, children and women, may have included some terrorists

Those pesky terrorists

I’d have thought you’d have welcomed the news of less civilian deaths and less (likelihood of) child beheadings in a more dignified manner.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

I’d have thought you’d have welcomed the news of less civilian deaths and less (likelihood of) child beheadings in a more dignified manner.

Nah, I’ll tell you where I am. Which is probably at the opposite end of where you are.

It’s very sad what Israel is doing, but I understand why they’re doing it. If I was in their position would I do it? Probably.

Israel have set their objectives, for all.

Do I agree with pro-Palestine marches?…….no because the current marches are pro-Hamas marches.

Pro-Palestinian marches, as observed recently, are just far right anti-Semitic marches.

Those dick heads walking around with Palestinian flags should look in the mirror, and if they see Tommy Robinson…in the reflection…….that’s who they are.

[jfman]

I’m very happy to be at the opposite end of the scale [removed].

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Sorry John, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

You seem surprised, I'm not.

[jfman]

I’m very happy to be at the opposite end of the scale from Pierre, who accepts there is only space for one state and that should be Israeli.

[Ms NTL]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Nah, I’ll tell you where I am. Which is probably at the opposite end of where you are.

It’s very sad what Israel is doing, but I understand why they’re doing it. If I was in their position would I do it? Probably.

Israel have set their objectives, for all.

Do I agree with pro-Palestine marches?…….no because the current marches are pro-Hamas marches.

Pro-Palestinian marches, as observed recently, are just far right anti-Semitic marches.

Those dick heads walking around with Palestinian flags should look in the mirror, and if they see Tommy Robinson…in the reflection…….that’s who they are.

Unbelievable.

What are you smoking/drinking mate?

Tell us what Tommy thinks mate.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-armistice-day

Adjust your meds.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

I’m very happy to be at the opposite end of the scale from Pierre, who accepts there is only space for one state and that should be Israeli.

We know that, your 100% behind the pro-Hamas marches that believe there is only room for one state, and that state should be Palestine ( from the river to the sea)

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Originally Posted by Ms NTL

Unbelievable

You’re right, why they’re allowing these far right, marches to go ahead is unbelievable.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

We know that, your 100% behind the pro-Hamas marches that believe there is only room for one state, and that state should be Palestine ( from the river to the sea)

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You’re right, why they’re allowing these far right, marches to go ahead is unbelievable.

There’s no such thing as a pro-Hamas march in the UK. If there was, I’d fully expect the police to intervene. However there isn’t, thus they don’t.

[nomadking]

Do Hamas have armed fighters, yes or no? Seeing as the answer is yes, where are they? Are they on bases out in the open, away from "civilians"? Yes or no? Where else is Israel supposed to attack? The aim will be to disrupt and disarm Hamas as much as possible.



Bear in mind many of the protestors calling for a ceasefire, AFTER an attack by Hamas, cheered after attacks on 9/11, 7/7 and 7th October. That is the sort of people we're talking about.

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Originally Posted by jfman

There’s no such thing as a pro-Hamas march in the UK. If there was, I’d fully expect the police to intervene. However there isn’t, thus they don’t.

So when did they take part in an anti-Hamas march, anywhere around the world, including Gaza itself? How many of them are against the actions of Hamas?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Nah, I’ll tell you where I am. Which is probably at the opposite end of where you are.

It’s very sad what Israel is doing, but I understand why they’re doing it. If I was in their position would I do it? Probably.

Israel have set their objectives, for all.

Do I agree with pro-Palestine marches?…….no because the current marches are pro-Hamas marches.

Pro-Palestinian marches, as observed recently, are just far right anti-Semitic marches.

Those dick heads walking around with Palestinian flags should look in the mirror, and if they see Tommy Robinson…in the reflection…….that’s who they are.

Had they been pro Hamas marches then they would have been able to have been banned.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

I’m not disputing who is unaccounted for. I’m disputing the cause of death.

Your specific rhetoric “brutally killed” isn’t compatible with the terminology used if they died under Israeli fire. That’s collateral damage. Bad stuff happens in war. Etc. etc.

You’re getting it deliberately wrong again. At its simplest:

1/
Hamas invades Israel and brutally murders 1200 people.

2/
Israel justifiably retaliates, declaring war, and collateral deaths occur.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You’re getting it deliberately wrong again. At its simplest:

1/
Hamas invades Israel and brutally murders 1200 people.

2/
Israel justifiably retaliates, declaring war, and collateral deaths occur.

As are you, this can’t be defined in simplistic terms due to its historic nature. Well you can but you would be wrong.


To be clear Hamas’s actions are utterly deplorable, but let’s not for one minute suggest that Israel are innocent in their current or previous actions. Not that their past behaviour justifies Hamas actions (sad that I have to write that but it would appear that unless you explicitly denounce Hamas in every post you somehow support their aims)

Israel’s current objective namely to eradicate Hamas is doomed to fail because all Hamas has to do is to survive to win. Hamas influence and offensive capabilities will certainly be significantly reduced but they won’t be wiped out and you can bet that a percentage of the individuals or families of those who were classed as collateral damage will go on to seek revenge