ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

But not like my electricity bill.

no nor mine when i come to think of it but i don't see the big thing here if you use more than your allowance then you should get billed for it, that way some really heavy users may moderate there usage and my connection may not go **** up again..

[Earwig]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

NTL are not just an ISP and they are not a charitable organisation. They will use their products in whatever way maximises the profit for them. Network infrastructure costs money which has to come from customers by either charging them all the same price or charging them based on their usage. Why shouldn't an ISP operate a service that pays for the cost of the infrastructure needed to sustain it rather than pay for the infrastructure for someone else to make all the profit from it?

The big obsession being shown is that of very heavy bandwidth users wanting ISP's to provide uncapped services at below cost price to satisfy their greed.

How come other countries can have HUGE connections with HUGE caps or even Un-capped but us here in the U.K have slow-capped connections.

Also how come on the continent they are charged far less for connections that are twice as fast as ours??

I have friends in holland who pay LESS than I pay for 3Mbit and they are on 20Mbit ! !

Why are we in the U.K so easy to fob off with any old crap? It's about time we stood up for ourselves and stopped accepting second rate services for extortionate amounts of money.

I understand that they need to make money and be profitable but I just wish we would start to catch up with other countries. It seems as soon as we start to make some headway they take another stride taking them further still from us....

10Mbit all sounds good but is not much use at 75Gb a month to play with.

Rather than Capping this one so low and having Un-capped services at slow speeds they should just have a good High cap of say 3-400GB a month. That would give ample downloading for "most" people and would stop the "Market Traders" that people love to bang on about here in this forum, because let's face it "EVERYONE" that is a heavy downloader sells everything they download right??

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by Earwig

How come other countries can have HUGE connections with HUGE caps or even Un-capped but us here in the U.K have slow-capped connections.

Also how come on the continent they are charged far less for connections that are twice as fast as ours??

I have friends in holland who pay LESS than I pay for 3Mbit and they are on 20Mbit ! !

Why are we in the U.K so easy to fob off with any old crap? It's about time we stood up for ourselves and stopped accepting second rate services for extortionate amounts of money.

I understand that they need to make money and be profitable but I just wish we would start to catch up with other countries. It seems as soon as we start to make some headway they take another stride taking them further still from us....

10Mbit all sounds good but is not much use at 75Gb a month to play with.

Rather than Capping this one so low and having Un-capped services at slow speeds they should just have a good High cap of say 3-400GB a month. That would give ample downloading for "most" people and would stop the "Market Traders" that people love to bang on about here in this forum, because let's face it "EVERYONE" that is a heavy downloader sells everything they download right??

i agree but its because over here they think they will get away with it so many dont complain, and then you get those who think buisnesses should be alowed to do what ever they wish who try to make those who do complain think they are wanting to much

[Spurs007]

Can anyone confirm whether the Terayon TJ210 will be capable of handling the new speeds?

TIA

[Earwig]

I wish they would let us know what these "Different Speeds" will be for the unlimited tiers...

From the wording in their statement I would read it as the Tiers will be remaining the same for 1-2-3Mbit but become unlimited?

Hope this is not the case.....

If they do that the ONLY thing that will make me stay with them is a substantial increase in upload speed. By substantial I mean something like 1Mbit or there abouts....

Not to hopeful though.....

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Earwig

How come other countries can have HUGE connections with HUGE caps or even Un-capped but us here in the U.K have slow-capped connections.

Also how come on the continent they are charged far less for connections that are twice as fast as ours??

I have friends in holland who pay LESS than I pay for 3Mbit and they are on 20Mbit ! !

Why are we in the U.K so easy to fob off with any old crap? It's about time we stood up for ourselves and stopped accepting second rate services for extortionate amounts of money.

I understand that they need to make money and be profitable but I just wish we would start to catch up with other countries. It seems as soon as we start to make some headway they take another stride taking them further still from us....

10Mbit all sounds good but is not much use at 75Gb a month to play with.

Rather than Capping this one so low and having Un-capped services at slow speeds they should just have a good High cap of say 3-400GB a month. That would give ample downloading for "most" people and would stop the "Market Traders" that people love to bang on about here in this forum, because let's face it "EVERYONE" that is a heavy downloader sells everything they download right??

I suppose that you will get people in other countries saying the same thing about us. "how come people in the UK get such fast connections so cheap?" They quote ADSL customers getting 8 Mb for £9.99 and cable customers getting 100 Mb for FREE. Of course there are very few customers in the UK getting a 8 Mb connection for £9.99 and most of these don't get anything near 8 Mb as they are too far from the exchange. The 100 Mb cable customers were a select few who lived in the right area (Dolphin Square). How universal are those low prices and fast speeds in other countries?

Not everyone outside of the UK gets super fast connections dirt cheap. A lot of the prices you see are introductory offers and only available in certain areas.

There are a lot of factors that dictate the prices paid for broadband.

Was the infrastructure subsidised or not. Some countries have subsidised broadband to the extent that ISP's don't have massive interest payments to make on the debt incurred in providing the infrastructure.

What is the topography of the area and what planning factors dictate where the infrastructure is sited. It can be far cheaper to sling cables between posts than to bury it under roads with massive disruption to traffic.

When was the infrastructure installed and what were the expectations at that time. Customers in parts of Leicester and London for example will know what having cable infrastructure installed with an incorrect assumption of future needs means. Upgrading these areas will be a very expensive and time consuming process.

10 Mb with a 75 Gb per month allowance is more than ample for over 95% of people in the UK and there are probably millions of people worldwide who wish they could have the same.

Originally Posted by ian@huth

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10 Mb with a 75 Gb per month allowance is more than ample for over 95% of people in the UK and there are probably millions of people worldwide who wish they could have the same.

good post Ian - it is very difficult to compare 'like with like' , lately - up & down on the 2Mb service works for me, at the moment. I will wait for further details on upgrades

[Mauldor]

China May well have 10,100,1000 mbit connection, great inside china user to user but once you go outside china (in or out) the speeds are slower then a 56K modem - noope even slower than that I think..

My Idea if it was technically possible would suit me down to the ground, NTL - > NTL User fast speeds, both up and down. NTL -> Anything else - speed you got now. It a bit like the Phones on NTL - Local Area is Free to another NTL User type of thing..Is this at all even possible btw or it is technically not as it does not work that way..???

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Florence

They will not but what I think should be done is a charge for every GIG over the limit these people use they pay for. If all paying £24.99 used the limit all would be well but when many use less yet others over use and cause the network to slow down then I feel these people should pay for the extra.

My personal opinion.

Good idea, that way at least those who use the most pay the most!

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by Ignition

You have over 1TB of drive space, you don't have that for the family photos now, do you?

Just added this up myself. I have 870Gb of drive space at about 80% utilisation.
iTunes in triplicate (on the laptop HDD and the file server is 80Gb)
additionally on a backup drive
Photos take up probably around 20Gb these days, and again on a backup drive.
Mini DV tape contents, edit files and the DVD output files are another 100Gb.
and so on, and finally one of these is a 160Gb portable firewire drive that takes the really important stuff and keeps it offsite.
So it is pretty easy these days to start using up multi Gb HDDs.

[OL1V3R]

Who thinks NTL will bump up the upload speeds then?

Tbh- I think they'd have to if they want people downloading at 10mb, concidering I use a good 15k/sec upload just when i'm downloading at 250k/sec. Not sure why but thats how it works here

Correct me if im wrong, but *sniff* .. dont be too harsh

[Chrysalis]

Considering NTL are finally going to rollout unmetered packages I have no argument other then the fact they decided to boot off heavy users before the packages are available.

[zovat]

Originally Posted by OL1V3R

Who thinks NTL will bump up the upload speeds then?

Tbh- I think they'd have to if they want people downloading at 10mb, concidering I use a good 15k/sec upload just when i'm downloading at 250k/sec. Not sure why but thats how it works here

Correct me if im wrong, but *sniff* .. dont be too harsh

I believe you are correct - 10M download will require a higher upload speed than 3M - what the equation is, I cannot say (but I am sure someone here will know it).

A certain amount of upload is due to "ACK" packets , basically saying, yes I have received that data - that will need to be higher, as more data is being received.

As I said, believe this to be the case, but I'm sure someone with a more in-depth knowledge of the subject will be along shortly

[Pø†øƒGøL�]

Originally Posted by zovat

I believe you are correct - 10M download will require a higher upload speed than 3M - what the equation is, I cannot say (but I am sure someone here will know it).

A certain amount of upload is due to "ACK" packets , basically saying, yes I have received that data - that will need to be higher, as more data is being received.

As I said, believe this to be the case, but I'm sure someone with a more in-depth knowledge of the subject will be along shortly

I'm not so sure - Telewest's 10meg announcement has confirmed upload speed remains at 384k (or are you saying it needs to be raised from 256k... I'm not sure what NTL 3meg upload is).

I hold out eternal hope for a decent upload speed... and no, not for illegal d/l.

[Chrysalis]

Only way to test is do some lan transfers and see what goes back in the other direction, I think 300kbit might be enough depending on whats been transferred.