The existence of God - Page 40

Russ · 05-04-2009, 21:30

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Originally Posted by DRZ400

OK ... We've all said why we think God doesn't exist and the improbability, But why does someone think God DOES exist?

I think you'll find that's been covered too.

05-04-2009, 21:32

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Good review in the Sunday Times today (trust me, this is on topic) about Religulous, which seems to sum up some of the posters in this thread (imho) -

"In this documentary by Larry Charles (Borat), the American satirist Bill Maher takes a polemical swipe at religion.
He goes from London to Israel and just about every religious site in between to talk to religious nuts and born-again loons of every persuasion.
His argument is one with which any atheist will be familiar, but by targeting the extreme and eccentric ends of the religious spectrum, Maher has gone for easy targets.
He comes up with the odd funny gag, but you get the feeling that he is as dogmatic about his doubt as the believers are about their faith."

This is the issue I cannot understand - why do some people go to so much trouble to try & 'prove' religions shouldn't exist?

I was taught that the opposite of love isn't hate, it is indifference - if people expend so much effort on being 'anti' religion, then it implies an engagement with the subject - wheras if they really were atheist or agnostic then they wouldn't bother - would they??

mischievious · 05-04-2009, 21:32

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Originally Posted by DRZ400

OK ... We've all said why we think God doesn't exist and the improbability, But why does someone think God DOES exist?

I think you'll find "opinions" concerning his non existence have been posted not facts.

papa smurf · 05-04-2009, 21:35

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Originally Posted by mischievious

@Papa & Gary L
So we're slipping into childishness now?

this thread will die if you can't post something relevant or with empirical evidence.

Gary I am not being deceptive but asking for evidence to show your contrary view to religion? Or is you view baseless i.e. based upon opinion alone.

Papa like I said lazy posters....

i read it. i cant decipher it ,post whatever gem your trying to get out again so i can evaluate it .
and post empirical evidence of what ?

DRZ400 · 05-04-2009, 21:36

I don't think so, this afternoon it's obvious the non believers were on the offensive and the believers were on the defensive.

Russ · 05-04-2009, 21:37

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Originally Posted by homealone

This is the issue I cannot understand - why do some people go to so much trouble to try & 'prove' religions shouldn't exist?

I've often wondered this and the only thing I can think of is it's a case of "I don't believe it so neither should you". In other words, imposing their views on others.

Peter_ · 05-04-2009, 21:39

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Originally Posted by mischievious

I think you'll find "opinions" concerning his non existence have been posted not facts.

I think Russ is refering to the many previous God threads already in existence.

A lot people believe in a god in one form or another because they feel that the must be a higher power at work controlling their lives and need to feel that it is real and true as otherwise the world around them would fall apart and they would be lost and without purpose or reason to exist.

DRZ400 · 05-04-2009, 21:42

This is the only forum I know that Religions allowed to be discussed.

mischievious · 05-04-2009, 21:43

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Originally Posted by homealone

This is the issue I cannot understand - why do some people go to so much trouble to try & 'prove' religions shouldn't exist?

I was taught that the opposite of love isn't hate, it is indifference - if people expend so much effort on being 'anti' religion, then it implies an engagement with the subject - wheras if they really were atheist or agnostic then they wouldn't bother - would they??

I agree.

Interestingly a link to an aetheist website previously also counted agnostics and non believers in their numbers. In counting these other groups meant that atheism is the fourth largest belief system in the world.

Sounds like atheism has the battle lines drawn not christians i.e. for or against. Truth is, as an agnostic I am a little offended that I have been enlisted as aetheist....

papa smurf · 05-04-2009, 21:55

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Originally Posted by mischievious

I agree.

Interestingly a link to an aetheist website previously also counted agnostics and non believers in their numbers. In counting these other groups meant that atheism is the fourth largest belief system in the world.

Sounds like atheism has the battle lines drawn not christians i.e. for or against. Truth is, as an agnostic I am a little offended that I have been enlisted as aetheist....

pick the splinters out of your bum and choose a point of view then ,it cant be very comfortable balancing on the fence ,or is it that you will only pick a point of view when you see one side is about to win - if thats the case your in for a long wait .

mischievious · 05-04-2009, 21:56

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

i read it. i cant decipher it ,post whatever gem your trying to get out again so i can evaluate it .
and post empirical evidence of what ?

ok I thought it was clear so I am wrong:

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Surely it is clear, you should let children experience nothing until they get to 16 or so then they can decide about everything

I was being sarcastic, is this a dying art in Britain, have we been that americanized.....

Basically, should parents try to prevent their children from experiencing anything until they can decide for themselves?

If you say yes to religion surely this would also cover dance, drama.... etc.

Gary L · 05-04-2009, 21:57

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Originally Posted by mischievious

not at all. I am asking for something empirical to support your view. Nothing more. So far you haven't provided any evidence.

I don't mindf if you are using the thread as a playground, I am asking for honesty

I have found some of your comment very funny but not exactly enlightening

I don't have any evidence. other than God has never spoke to me either in my head or to my face. well he did, but he wasn't real. he was a Policeman the next day and a soldier the next

mischievious · 05-04-2009, 22:04

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

pick the splinters out of your bum and choose a point of view then ,it cant be very comfortable balancing on the fence ,or is it that you will only pick a point of view when you see one side is about to win - if thats the case your in for a long wait .

I am terribly sorry if I am spoiling your view over the fence

FYI I can't stand glory hunters, if that were the case I would choose the God side - I simply believe if it is all true my indifference would be known by God anyhow so why pretend?

papa smurf · 05-04-2009, 22:09

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Originally Posted by mischievious

ok I thought it was clear so I am wrong:

I was being sarcastic, is this a dying art in Britain, have we been that americanized.....

Basically, should parents try to prevent their children from experiencing anything until they can decide for themselves?

If you say yes to religion surely this would also cover dance, drama.... etc.

my apologies I'm good at giving out sarcasm but not so good a reading it from others , i see where your coming from but its half past my bed time so ill be back tomorrow evening -and on that bombshell .....

mischievious · 05-04-2009, 22:20

looking at your avatar I'm wondering is that how you walk to bed.

I reeeeeeally hope so.....