Disability vouchers instead of cash

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Taf

I remember those tiny death traps.

I'm glad they were scrapped, I have a few 250cc Villiers engines out of the earlier model. They have proved very useful for parts for my Bond Minicars.

[RichardCoulter]

Yes, there are still a lot of people who unlawfully question a person's disability because it is either invisible or because they can't see something that they're using like a stick, wheelchair etc to confirm matters (in they're eyes).

If someone states that they are disabled, others are advised to accept this without question or risk falling foul of the law.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

If someone states that they are disabled, others are advised to accept this without question.

Absolute nonsense. Evidence is required.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Yes, there are still a lot of people who unlawfully question a person's disability because it is either invisible or because they can't see something that they're using like a stick, wheelchair etc to confirm matters (in they're eyes).

If someone states that they are disabled, others are advised to accept this without question or risk falling foul of the law.

Care to explain the above in more detail? You're basically saying that if I don't believe that you have a brain injury without producing the evidence you think that you can report me the police?

Try reporting the DWP then because they won't accept anything unless there's evidence. And as Paul says, you're talking nonsense.

[RichardCoulter]

Not knowing that someone is disabled is a defence for a complaint of disability discrimination. If it is known, then this defence cannot be used.

I'm not talking about benefit claims, i'm talking about everyday life eg if someone asks you to pass them something in a supermarket because they are disabled, there should be no questioning, making assumptions, stereotyping etc.

No proof is required, but someone minded to be unhelpful to the disabled should politely decline their request as opposed to making inappropriate comments like "You don't look disabled" or ask inappropriate questions relating to their disability.

[Stephen]

That's not even about a disability. I've passed people stuff as they are too short or old and cant reach the higher shelves.

It's just being kind and considerate. Don't need to instantly jump on disability

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Stephen

That's not even about a disability. I've passed people stuff as they are too short or old and cant reach the higher shelves.

It's just being kind and considerate. Don't need to instantly jump on disability

Exactly. I only mentioned disability to provide an example.

[Taf]

There was a period that started pre-covid where supermarkets were giving out "sunflower" lanyards to those who found social interaction difficult, sometimes due to a disability.

Unfortunately, many were not aware of what they meant, so that caused more grief for the wearers as people asked "What's that for? What does it mean? Are you disabled? What is autism?"

[peanut]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Exactly. I only mentioned disability to provide an example.

You haven't answered the first part of my post. Isn't it up to you to provide evidence regardless of your word if we ask. Without evidence it's down to courtesy or choice meaning there is no legal obligation whatever you say. So where does it state we have to accept it without question (without evidence) otherwise we're 'falling foul of the law'

I'm deaf, and if someone speaks slowly to me as if I'm dumb would that an offence? It happens quite often. But I just tell them politely. I don't think I've ever had a problem to the point where I would consider it as discrimination with how I'm treated. That would never enter my mind. Just correct and get on with life.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Taf

There was a period that started pre-covid where supermarkets were giving out "sunflower" lanyards to those who found social interaction difficult, sometimes due to a disability.

Unfortunately, many were not aware of what they meant, so that caused more grief for the wearers as people asked "What's that for? What does it mean? Are you disabled? What is autism?"

It made it more confusing though as everyone was getting them, that way they could get away with not wearing masks in shops etc. It became a total joke as anyone could buy one online.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by peanut

You haven't answered the first part of my post. Isn't it up to you to provide evidence regardless of your word if we ask. Without evidence it's down to courtesy or choice meaning there is no legal obligation whatever you say. So where does it state we have to accept it without question (without evidence) otherwise we're 'falling foul of the law'

I'm deaf, and if someone speaks slowly to me as if I'm dumb would that an offence? It happens quite often. But I just tell them politely. I don't think I've ever had a problem to the point where I would consider it as discrimination with how I'm treated. That would never enter my mind. Just correct and get on with life.

That's fine, 99% of issues are resolved by politely letting people know the situation

It's when they fail to take heed or do things on purpose that problems arise and more formal action can be considered.

To use my example again, if you asked a fellow shopper* to tell you what a tannoy announcement was saying in a supermarket, they have no right to question your disability, ask for proof of it, make comments etc regarding your deafness. Doing so could be viewed as a hate crime or a hate incident.

*If a member of staff refused to help you, this would probably fall foul of the requirement to make adjustments under the Equality Act.

Fellow shoppers should either provide the help asked for with good grace (which I'm sure most would do) or politely refuse if they don't want to help.

[Stephen]

Thing is Richard. You seem to be the only one thinking like that. Most people will simply just give the info or help.

Not everyone is nasty or judgemental like you seem to imply.

Same goes for staff, they are there to help. I frequently ask for help when I go to the cinema as my eyesight is bad, so when lights are down I really can't see much so need help getting to my seat.

Never had anyone tell me no or give me a funny look.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by peanut

You haven't answered the first part of my post. Isn't it up to you to provide evidence regardless of your word if we ask. Without evidence it's down to courtesy or choice meaning there is no legal obligation whatever you say. So where does it state we have to accept it without question (without evidence) otherwise we're 'falling foul of the law'

I'm deaf, and if someone speaks slowly to me as if I'm dumb would that an offence? It happens quite often. But I just tell them politely. I don't think I've ever had a problem to the point where I would consider it as discrimination with how I'm treated. That would never enter my mind. Just correct and get on with life.

I know exactly where you are coming from. Soon as someone sees my hearing aids they start to talk louder and slower.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Thing is Richard. You seem to be the only one thinking like that. Most people will simply just give the info or help.

Not everyone is nasty or judgemental like you seem to imply.

Same goes for staff, they are there to help. I frequently ask for help when I go to the cinema as my eyesight is bad, so when lights are down I really can't see much so need help getting to my seat.

Never had anyone tell me no or give me a funny look.

Absolutely, most right thinking people are only too pleased to help and, when they inadvertently get things wrong, they apologise profusely and make amends.

Legal action to resolve matters is only to be used as a last resort when all other reasonable attempts have failed or the behaviour is serious and obviously being down out of malice.

The police are currently investigating an incident where a group of people with Downs syndrome were physically attacked in Blackpool.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

To use my example again, if you asked a fellow shopper* to tell you what a tannoy announcement was saying in a supermarket, they have no right to question your disability, ask for proof of it, make comments etc regarding your deafness.

Again, complete nonsense, they have every right to ask you why (if they so wish). They also have every right to just say no.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

The police are currently investigating an incident where a group of people with Downs syndrome were physically attacked in Blackpool.

What has that go to do with questioning a disability ?