Torys to cut housing benefit of young

All political colours use and abuse the welfare system when it suits them hence none of them implementing real meaningful reform just piecemeal cost cutting dressed up as reform and swallowed whole by a large selection of the public. We minions spend so much of our time tearing each other apart on the belief of political ideologies that don't really exist anymore no matter what colour the monkey wears scratch the surface and they are all the same. Politics has stopped working in the interests of the people and the state a while ago and now only works for the vested interests that give them the best return, there may be a few genuine ones left but less and less each general election.

As far as able to work is concerned if anyone can say that walking 20 metres even if in pain and not able to repeat everyday of a five day week is fit and able then we really are in trouble . I live across the road from a school and that is over 30 metres away how many people live within 20 metres of their job ?. People need to stop taking the word of politicians on anything and look for themselves as what your told and what's actually happening these days is rarely ever the same.

Originally Posted by Taf

Especially when so many disabled will suddenly become "able" in the eyes of the government, not worthy of aid, and the budget will go to help "those most in need". One heck of a get-out clause that.

I wondered how long it would take for this thread to be side tracked with "government attacks on the disabled" ,this policy does not affect the disabled.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by martyh

I wondered how long it would take for this thread to be side tracked with "government attacks on the disabled" ,this policy does not affect the disabled.

If one party to a couple happens to be disabled and the other party is aged 18-24 and in receipt of JSA and HB then yes, of course, it will adversely affect the disabled in some circumstances as the loss of JB might well render the couple homeless.

This is not a policy aimed solely at single, unattached individuals aged 18 - 24 in receipt of JSA.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

If one party to a couple happens to be disabled and the other party is aged 18-24 and in receipt of JSA and HB then yes, of course, it will adversely affect the disabled in some circumstances as the loss of JB might well render the couple homeless.

This is not a policy aimed solely at single, unattached individuals aged 18 - 24 in receipt of JSA.

Yes it is ,that is exactly who it is aimed at ,that was just about the only detail that Cameron has given us ,back in september last year when this policy was first revealed .

"I want us to end the idea that aged 18 you can leave school, go and leave home, claim unemployment benefit and claim housing benefit.
"We shouldn't be offering that choice to young people; we should be saying, 'you should be earning or learning'."
Mr Cameron said the new rules would not apply to people with children, but was aimed at single young men and women so that they did not get trapped in "a life of dependency... that is no life at all".

from last years article on the subject

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29398907

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by martyh

Yes it is ,that is exactly who it is aimed at ,that was just about the only detail that Cameron has given us ,back in september last year when this policy was first revealed .



from last years article on the subject

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29398907

I stand partially corrected, based on his statement. A statement which, I hasten to add, I very much doubt he will adhere to.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

I stand corrected, based on his statement. A statement which, I hasten to add, I very much doubt he will adhere to.

Well i can't do anything about your refusal to believe what he says .In my opinion if a 19 yr old cannot support him/herself then they should stay at home with their parents

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by martyh

Well i can't do anything about your refusal to believe what he says .

I haven't refused to believe anything. I simply doubt that he'll adhere to what he supposedly said, if indeed he said it.

Originally Posted by martyh

In my opinion if a 19 yr old cannot support him/herself then they should stay at home with their parents

You are entitled to your opinion, of course. There are, however, increasingly high numbers of people of that age group who are unable, for various reasons, to live at home with their parents.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

I haven't refused to believe anything. I simply doubt that he'll adhere to what he supposedly said, if indeed he said it.
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In that case it's pointless even having an opinion if you doubt he said it and doubt he will stick to the policy .If you search for a rerun of the Andrew Marr show then you will see that he did say it and be in no doubt any longer

There are, however, increasingly high numbers of people of that age group who are unable, for various reasons, to live at home with their parents

Such as ? I can't think off the top of my head of any reason why a single unemployed 19 yr old without disability and without children should be able to leave home and get housed by the state

My daughter worked hard to get her qualifications in childcare and has by local standards a well paid job but couldn't afford a place of her own so so joined a friend living together there is nothing wrong with house Sharing but rents are still going up and she has been told her rent will increase by £200 pcm this April and she's worrying about being able to afford it. Most older people never had the difference between their wage and property costs I've got 5 uncles all in their mid to late fifties and they all say its a lot harder for their kids now. Youth of today also do not have the level of job security many older people had when they started out it's simply not fair to compare the two and certainly not fair to label all 19-24 year old the same.

People will say "your daughter will have to move back in with you" and that's always been available to her but she's been living in her own place by her own rules for three years it's another thing that isn't so simple. We have a class of landlords now charging ridiculous rents so high that people can't pay and save condemning them to a life of private rent something just isn't fair about that let alone allowing those landlords to charge so much they keep people locked into the private rent sector. Our kids are being screwed always and it's heartbreaking to be a parent and not be in the position to help them as we should.

Oh as for the no reason any fit, single and 19 year old might not want to move back home couple for you. 1 came from an abusive home or 2 one of the thousands that come out of kids homes every year sure I could think of more but those were the quick one's.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by martyh

In that case it's pointless even having an opinion if you doubt he said it and doubt he will stick to the policy .If you search for a rerun of the Andrew Marr show then you will see that he did say it and be in no doubt any longer

Do you have a link at all? I'm only sceptical because I can find no reference to the supposed quote at all that appears in quotation marks. Every reference I've found thus far is attributed to him but not actually quoted. Aside from that any Hansard or policy briefing I've read on the matter does not give exemption specifics so I'm curious as to when this became "policy" because the age demographic I referenced (18-24) was once the ONS / Government barometer. He (Cameron) appears to now be focused on 18-21 year olds.

EDIT - May have found it, watching now.

Originally Posted by martyh

Such as ? I can't think off the top of my head of any reason why a single unemployed 19 yr old without disability and without children should be able to leave home and get housed by the state

I'm sure you can't but the fact is there are tens of thousands of them doing just that.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Do you have a link at all? I'm only sceptical because I can find no reference to the supposed quote at all that appears in quotation marks. Every reference I've found thus far is attributed to him but not actually quoted. Aside from that any Hansard or policy briefing I've read on the matter does not give exemption specifics so I'm curious as to when this became "policy" because the age demographic I referenced (18-24) was once the ONS / Government barometer. He (Cameron) appears to now be focused on 18-21 year olds.

The BBC link i gave has quotes



I'm sure you can't but the fact is there are tens of thousands of them doing just that.

Then please enlighten me

[Mr Angry]

It was indeed the Marr show (28/09/2014) just after 17 minutes in. Thanks.

Quite an ingenious policy.

Essentially he was proposing to bring forward legislation that you can't claim housing benefit if you are single, with no kids and unemployed. Can anyone see an obvious flaw in this cunning plan?

I wonder is that why there is no mention of exemptions for parents in this latest rehash of his proposals?

Originally Posted by martyh

Then please enlighten me

Domestic violence or family breakdown, will that do for starters?

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

It was indeed the Marr show (28/09/2014) just after 17 minutes in. Thanks.

Quite an ingenious policy.

Essentially he was proposing to bring forward legislation that you can't claim housing benefit if you are single, with no kids and unemployed. Can anyone see an obvious flaw in this cunning plan?

I wonder is that why there is no mention of exemptions for parents in this latest rehash of his proposals?

Are you even reading the links provided .There was a specific exemption for parents mentioned.

Domestic violence or family breakdown, will that do for starters

Not really ,we are talking about adults here not children.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Osem

Come to think of it, when we got married we hired the local scout hall for the reception and did all the catering ourselves for about £300 all in. The wife's wedding dress was handed down and the bridesmaids dresses were made by my sister. I wore a work suit. How many people want to do that today? Many would rather have the big event for a day and pay for it over years.

Or they just don't get married because they can't afford it. They don't have stable accomodation, they have to both work to pay the bills and rent, and hence put off major life events such as marriage until later life.

More data - sorry.



http://www.parliament.uk/business/pu...s-settle-down/

Interesting how the marital age starts to rise as Thatcher starts to take apart council housing. Correlation != causation, but...

The average ages for a first marriage in the UK at most recent statistics take were 32.1 for the man and 30.0 for the woman.

I do hope you don't consider people over the age of 30 to also be feckless youth?

I'm not going to comment on your latest post, there isn't really much substantive in it to discuss.

EDIT: Apart from this bit:

Originally Posted by Osem

Best of luck with all that bitterness you appear to have.

Per the other thread I'm alright, Jack.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

The Tories, will be out soon. But the Tories will cut everything before they go. Its about time Cameron goes after all these big companies, that owe millions in tax.

But, he wont as he knows that these big companies pump money into the Tory party.

There are no jobs worth taking out there for young people. Its not about sitting on there backside. My son, yes he is disabled, but he wants to work. But FOUR agencies have told him that they cannot help him