Diane Abbott apologises in 'race' row

[Russ]

Originally Posted by kingll

Just use the word black sir

I don't think that's appropriate. Those who use the term 'coloured' usually mean someone who is not white (I'm not justifying it's use).

So this could mean someone with black, brown, yellow etc skin.

My OH is British/Indian, there are some who would call her coloured (she'd smack them upside the head if they did) but calling her black would not be correct either.

Originally Posted by kingll

Just use the word black sir

Ok thanks for that my fault for trying to tip toe around the word as i thought using it would be too full on sorry about that.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by kingll

Where did i state that white people are murders???

Don't take my words out of context

I didn't say you called white people murderers but you likened all white people to two very well known racist murders.

So what exactly was your point when you wrote:

Oh white people of today are so so different from white people of yesterday year cough Gary Dobson cough David Norris...

Who are they representative of other than a small proportion of violent prejudiced thugs just like those of other races who've attacked and/or killed people simply for having a different skin colour?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

My OH is British/Indian, there are some who would call her coloured (she'd smack them upside the head if they did) but calling her black would not be correct either.

So what does she like to be called then?

a white person regardless of nationality is called white.
a black non Asian is called black.
an Asian is usually referred to as Asian.

Damn, I forgot the Indians.

Still has not changed my view that Ms Abbott should go and quickly.

For expressing those views on a very public forum bearing in mind the job she does,and she does obviously represent both black and white constituents in a very diverse area.

Public figures especially elected ones need to be very careful.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Gary L

So what does she like to be called then?

Kym.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

Kym.

Let's hope she's well known then. or that she wears a name tag

Originally Posted by richard1960

Ok thanks for that my fault for trying to tip toe around the word as i thought using it would be too full on sorry about that.

don't be sorry 20 -30yrs ago we had to call black people coloured .It's not your fault that people are so sensitive about their skin colour they need to be categorised into colours .It's very confusing using the term black people because many people included in that term are not in fact black

Originally Posted by martyh

don't be sorry 20 -30yrs ago we had to call black people coloured .It's not your fault that people are so sensitive about their skin colour they need to be categorised into colours .It's very confusing using the term black people because many people included in that term are not in fact black

Yes i do find people are very sensitive, and yes i remember 20-30 years ago you did have to use the word coloured as black was considered a no no .

And in the US if you use the word black you are liable to be smashed around as they prefer the term "people of colour".

Its sometimes really hard due to senstivety issues to know what words do not cause offense in the UK in 2012 but i tried.

[kingll]

Originally Posted by Russ

Look at it from our perspective.

You've made a claim that a) you cannot back up and b) many of us have seen the opposite in effect.



In fairness, you are the one that made the claim so the responsibility of providing evidence falls on yourself.

Otherwise it just looks like you're putting your opinion forward as fact. As an example I could say 'kingll is a burglar, I can't prove it but I know it's true'. Obviously I am not suggesting you are, but making strong claims without backing them up means nothing.

Problem with that argument is you are not my employer and if i was sacked for breech of my offices code of conduct. I'm sure i wouldn't get any sympathy from anyone on this forum for providing information that should not have been seen outside of my place of work.

So i do need not, put forward any evidence to you or anyone.

Also you calling me burglar, to prove it sir would be quite funny and a waste of your time and the word slander comes to mind also.

Funny though you are the only person that has picked at that paragraph and nobody else has - so you may not be talking for the majority but just yourself, I’m just sayin’

[Russ]

Originally Posted by kingll

Problem with that argument is you are not my employer and if i was sacked for breech of my offices code of conduct. I'm sure i wouldn't get any sympathy from anyone on this forum for providing information that should not have been seen outside of my place of work.

So i do need not, put forward any evidence to you or anyone.

That's fine. Just don't expect anyone to believe you or take your claims seriously.

Originally Posted by kingll

Also you calling me burglar, to prove it sir would be quite funny and a waste of your time and the word slander comes to mind also.

Exactly - so can you see the problem with making a strong claim without proof?

Originally Posted by kingll

Funny though you are the only person that has picked at that paragraph and nobody else has - so you may not be talking for the majority but just yourself, I’m just sayin’

Maybe others have picked up but not commented. Just sayin' too

[kingll]

Originally Posted by Russ

I don't think that's appropriate. Those who use the term 'coloured' usually mean someone who is not white (I'm not justifying it's use).

So this could mean someone with black, brown, yellow etc skin.

My OH is British/Indian, there are some who would call her coloured (she'd smack them upside the head if they did) but calling her black would not be correct either.

smh that is her prerogative

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Originally Posted by Russ

That's fine. Just don't expect anyone to believe you or take your claims seriously.



Exactly - so can you see the problem with making a strong claim without proof?



Maybe others have picked up but not commented. Just sayin' too

Russ really, do you think I really care what you think? i expressed something if you don't believe what i say, that 's fine.

Er nah Russ, as in your example you are accusing me of being something that is slander on the other hand me stating events I have seen is totally different.

where your evidence Russ?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by kingll

Er nah Russ, as in your example you are accusing me of being something that is slander on the other hand me stating events I have seen is totally different.

where your evidence Russ?

Can you really not see what I'm saying? Can you really not see where I said...

Originally Posted by Russ

Obviously I am not suggesting you are,

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I am using the example of the problems that arise when people make claims without any proof. I did not say you were a burglar.

Originally Posted by richard1960

Still has not changed my view that Ms Abbott should go and quickly.

For expressing those views on a very public forum bearing in mind the job she does,and she does obviously represent both black and white constituents in a very diverse area.

Public figures especially elected ones need to be very careful.

I agree ,in my opinion she is the local black communities worst enemy .She works on the assumption that there is a divide between blacks and whites instead of looking to see if there actually is a problem that needs addressing .

I have read the tweets through half a dozen times and still can't find any justification for her making that comment .The journalist she was talking to was commenting about people using the term "black community" and the "black community leaders" being out of touch with the people they represent so where does the "white people love to divide and rule" comment have any relevance in that context other than to deliberately stir up ill feeling towards white people

[kingll]

Originally Posted by Russ

Can you really not see what I'm saying? Can you really not see where I said...


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I am using the example of the problems that arise when people make claims without any proof. I did not say you were a burglar.

I know what your saying, however, it doesn't apply imo

as i said you used it as an example and I said it was slanderous