New Acceptable Usage Policy from VM (discussion) - Page 4

ZrByte · 22-11-2011, 18:55

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Originally Posted by alferret

Personally I would like to see a monthly limit 100gb-10Mb, 200gb-30Mb, 300gb-50Mb & 500gb-100Mb with those over using allowed amounts restricted to 10% of their paid for tier till the end of their paid month.
As a user who DL's about 50gb from usenet & about 30-50gb on OD progs + general internet I do feel agreeved that others in my area are using their net that is detremental to my personal use. I will add that 95% of my DL's are done after I go to bed 11pm onwards.

Cant see that happening any time soon because then they wont be able to advertise as unlimited and since thats the current buzz word for ISPs they wont be willing to drop it.

Chrysalis · 22-11-2011, 19:01

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Originally Posted by keepitretro

Sorry but thats total %^&* I currently pay Â£48 a month for just my internet and for that amount i will do as i please,

thank you sir!!!

Don't think having a fixed amount a month is gonna work,

Who the hell is gonna sign up for 100mb broadband at Â£48 a month with a
500gb limit, not while ive still got a hole in my [Mod Edit - do not use language that invokes the swear filter]!!!!

I probably would if no congestion.

alferret · 22-11-2011, 19:42

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Originally Posted by keepitretro

Sorry but thats total %^&* I currently pay Â£48 a month for just my internet and for that amount i will do as i please,

thank you sir!!!

Don't think having a fixed amount a month is gonna work,

Who the hell is gonna sign up for 100mb broadband at Â£48 a month with a
500gb limit, not while ive still got a hole in my [Mod Edit - do not use language that invokes the swear filter]!!

There are only so many Linux distro's you can download

What your saying is that you are quite happy to swalow up all the availiable bandwidth to the detriment of your neighbours without caring yet they are\could be payng the same as you? I'm alright Jack?

Sorry but even if it wont happen at anytime soon I hope it does so that those that DO abuse any AUP do get penalised.

Also I know that DOCIS 2/3 use different freq's so you wouldnt be an issue for me, but if I were paying for 50/100Mb & someone such as yourself was raping & pillaging all availiable bandwidth I wouldnt rest until VM done something about it. Sorry but thats how I feel.

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Originally Posted by ZrByte

Cant see that happening any time soon because then they wont be able to advertise as unlimited and since thats the current buzz word for ISPs they wont be willing to drop it.

It's a shame that these so called "buzz words" mean so much to so few who feel the need to abuse a system that could be detrimental to other users.

For me we have no real choice over ISP as where we live the max we could achieve over copper is 3Mb. I dont really care for an "unlimited" service I would rather pay for a guaranteed speed regardless of the oiks who DL films to sell at boot sales.

ZrByte · 22-11-2011, 20:06

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Originally Posted by alferret

There are only so many Linux distro's you can download

What your saying is that you are quite happy to swalow up all the availiable bandwidth to the detriment of your neighbours without caring yet they are\could be payng the same as you? I'm alright Jack?

Sorry but even if it wont happen at anytime soon I hope it does so that those that DO abuse any AUP do get penalised.

Also I know that DOCIS 2/3 use different freq's so you wouldnt be an issue for me, but if I were paying for 50/100Mb & someone such as yourself was raping & pillaging all availiable bandwidth I wouldnt rest until VM done something about it. Sorry but thats how I feel.

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It's a shame that these so called "buzz words" mean so much to so few who feel the need to abuse a system that could be detrimental to other users.

For me we have no real choice over ISP as where we live the max we could achieve over copper is 3Mb. I dont really care for an "unlimited" service I would rather pay for a guaranteed speed regardless of the oiks who DL films to sell at boot sales.

Quality over quantity

I Think I would agree, I could be considered a heavy user but would happily keep my usage within predefined limits if they where reasonable and if they could be measured at the tap (Modem/superhub). I know the hub does give a per-session bandwidth monitor but mine reboots so much recently its pretty much useless.

keepitretro · 22-11-2011, 20:16

At the end of the day VM should not be pushing faster and faster speeds if they can't support them, don't get me wrong iv'e got nothing against stm,

I don't mind doing my downloads overnight, but i object to the idea of set limits every month!

jb66 · 22-11-2011, 20:19

I get unlimited water but I don't leave te tap running all night.....

keepitretro · 22-11-2011, 20:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by alferret

There are only so many Linux distro's you can download

What your saying is that you are quite happy to swalow up all the availiable bandwidth to the detriment of your neighbours without caring yet they are\could be payng the same as you? I'm alright Jack?

Sorry but even if it wont happen at anytime soon I hope it does so that those that DO abuse any AUP do get penalised.

Also I know that DOCIS 2/3 use different freq's so you wouldnt be an issue for me, but if I were paying for 50/100Mb & someone such as yourself was raping & pillaging all availiable bandwidth I wouldnt rest until VM done something about it. Sorry but thats how I feel.

---------- Post added at 20:42 ---------- Previous post was at 20:39 ----------

It's a shame that these so called "buzz words" mean so much to so few who feel the need to abuse a system that could be detrimental to other users.

For me we have no real choice over ISP as where we live the max we could achieve over copper is 3Mb. I dont really care for an "unlimited" service I would rather pay for a guaranteed speed regardless of the oiks who DL films to sell at boot sales.

(((((Hey Fella Read This))))) I currently pay Â£48 a month for just my internet and for that amount I WILL DO AS I PLEASE,

thank you sir!!!

kwikbreaks · 22-11-2011, 21:23

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Originally Posted by keepitretro

I currently pay Â£48 a month for just my internet and for that amount I WILL DO AS I PLEASE

Not quite - you'll only do what VM feel like allowing you to do. You may well consider you are entitled to run flat out 24x7 but Â£48 isn't enough to pay for that.

keepitretro · 22-11-2011, 21:29

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Originally Posted by kwikbreaks

Not quite - you'll only do what VM feel like allowing you to do. You may well consider you are entitled to run flat out 24x7 but Â£48 isn't enough to pay for that.

Where did i say that i run flat out 24/7 ? ? ?

kwikbreaks · 23-11-2011, 05:19

Where did I say that you do? From your usage shown you obviously don't.

I only said you may feel that you are entitled to because you never specified exactly what you expect only "I WILL DO AS I PLEASE".

BTW how can BB only cost Â£48? 100Mbps is Â£45 unless you don't pay DD and then I think it's Â£50.

keepitretro · 23-11-2011, 06:23

Not sure was on 50mb before and that was Â£38, so they said 100mb was only Â£10 more a month, thought this was the price!!!

kwikbreaks · 23-11-2011, 08:36

New customer standalone prices are Â£21 Â£28.50 Â£35 and Â£45. Maybe you have the phone as well? If not you need to call in and get it corrected.

Regardless of VM advertising the service as unlimited it certainly isn't - bandwidth is a limited resource. Somebody regularly downloading high volumes will probably have an adverse effect on others in their area. The local pipe capacity is 200Mbps down 18Mbps up and that will be shared by 100 or more customers. One user on 100Mbps flat out up and down will soak half the local downstream and more than half of upstream.

Chrysalis · 23-11-2011, 10:02

I think its significantly more than 100 sharing the downstreams. The idea of 100mbit per customer without STM been workable on 200mbit capacity is truly shocking.

kwikbreaks · 23-11-2011, 10:18

It may well be. I know Ignitionet said something about the CMTS port becoming unstable if it had to handle over 250 modems. Even at 100 I'm amazed it can ever work but I know that when I had 50Mbps I normally got that and it's only recently everything went to rat's - just after the area got the 100Mbps upgrade which may or may not be a coincidence.

I think that VM banked on selling 100Mbps to folks for willy waving rights rather than the only thing that makes it more useful than 10Mbps - bulk downloads. Sadly those buying it quite rightly expect to be able to use it and do and there simply isn't the capacity at the local level to support it.

Chrysalis · 23-11-2011, 12:33

I agree I think they expected sales of 100mbit to be extremely low to the point there was no point allocating capacity to it. However even a sale of just 1 in any given area can significantly change utilisation. I would expect the majority of people paying for 100mbit to be heavy users.

I noticed 3 things in my area.

1 - upstream degraded when the upload speeds were uplifted.
2 - downstream speeds degraded within month of 100mbit been launched and now significantly degraded to the point its almost 24/7 and severe at peak times.
3 - increasing number of outages (maybe I am over 250 on port) or more likely seems rebalance work with each occurance adding users to my port.

The 250 reference from ignition which I am sure he will willingly correct me if I am wrong I think is to upstream channels.