Christianity a History - Page 4

demented · 15-01-2009, 16:11

In an easily and to the point short summary of it, yes.

**Maggy** · 15-01-2009, 16:14

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Originally Posted by Russ B

So your criteria for being a Christian is just someone who believes in God? Curious...

I have to say you're the first person I've ever come across who thinks faith is not a requirement for being a Christians. Still, it takes all sorts I guess

Hang on..Don't Jews believe in God..Muslims as well?

Sorry but there's got to be more to it than that...

Russ · 15-01-2009, 16:19

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Hang on..Don't Jews believe in God..Muslims as well?

According to demented's logic, they're Christians too.

Bizarre

demented · 15-01-2009, 16:31

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Hang on..Don't Jews believe in God..Muslims as well?

Sorry but there's got to be more to it than that...

Bingo.

. In anycase why would it seem strange that Judaism and Islam have so much in common with Christianity once you strip out the emphasis one religion has on Jesus? They are the same more or less. Christianity and Islam are both descended from Judaism, one of the many points of the programme.

Christian is just a label. It could just as easily be muslim. It could be xtian, it could be something else.

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Originally Posted by Russ B

According to demented's logic, they're Christians too.

Bizarre

Yeap. They are in a sense. Anyway I don't know why you find it so weird, my RE teacher was a Christian and was of the view that many of the same religions amount to the same thing. I've met other people with similar views.

Russ · 15-01-2009, 16:42

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Originally Posted by demented

They are the same more or less.

As I don't want to take this off-topic I'd ask you bring that up in the next anti-religion thread so I can address it properly. But you have no idea how spectacularly wide of the mark you with that

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Originally Posted by demented

Yeap. They are in a sense.

I wonder how saaf_london will react to the news that he, "in a sense", is Christian

downquark1 · 15-01-2009, 16:51

I won't repeat my rants about how the word has become useless.

demented · 15-01-2009, 17:08

Well I don't want to dwell on the point any longer but people did ask. The programme is still available on catch-up for anyone who wants to watch but in warning a summary of it is available on channel 4 and if people are offended by what I've said they probably will be by the programme itself.

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Leading British writer Howard Jacobson, a Jew himself, examines the origins and consequences of Christian belief. He argues that although Christianity originated in devout Judaism, for Jews it has been, for the most part, a calamity.

Jacobson talks to Christian and Jewish scholars. He visits Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Galilee and Rome to find out more about Jesus the Jew, and discovers how key Christian beliefs - including the notion of a Messiah and baptism - have roots in Judaism.

Furthermore, he asserts that Jesus didn't intend to start a new religion, and that for Jesus's family the new movement remained within Judaism: for them he was a charismatic Rabbi.

Is Judaism Christianity's guilty secret?

**Maggy** · 15-01-2009, 17:13

He also pointed out that Jesus and his disciples were devout Jews..Not Christians.That Christianity came about through the actions of St Paul.

15-01-2009, 17:35

"Upon this rock I will build my church". Matthew 16:18.

So the Christian Church (Or for me, the Catholic Church) was born.

**Maggy** · 15-01-2009, 17:45

I tell you what.. why don't some of you watch the programme and see for yourselves?

**Maggy** · 18-01-2009, 20:00

Second programme about to start.

alferret · 18-01-2009, 21:05

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

I tell you what.. why don't some of you watch the programme and see for yourselves?

I just did Maggy, but I feel i need to watch the first episode just to get the gist of things.
I still feel the same tho, and some parts of the program just reinforced my opinion.

demented · 18-01-2009, 21:06

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Originally Posted by alferret

I just did Maggy, but I feel i need to watch the first episode just to get the gist of things.
I still feel the same tho, and some parts of the program just reinforced my opinion.

The episodes are separate. Totally different presenter, different viewpoint, different message, different time period.

frogstamper · 18-01-2009, 21:26

Just watched tonight's program, very interesting Portillo did a good job, next weeks program covers Christianity in the Dark Ages, a great series so far.
BTW anyone who thinks this series is going to be about proselytizing religion, think again, in this episode Portillo made it clear he is "a lapsed Catholic".

demented · 18-01-2009, 22:16

It was a good programme. Shame it didn't mention the meteorite.