Barry George did not kill Jill Dando

[ginge51]

Jesus, i wonder what type of payout he'll get?
+6 million?

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by Derek S

Or maybe after painstakingly going through the available evidence and finding one name coming up time and time again over the year long investigation they look more closely at him.
They find some forensics (no mean feat after 13 months) and evidence of deeply unhealthy obsessions with guns, celebrities and women and put that evidence to court resulting in a conviction.

Contrary to what some people think the Police don't just fit up the first person they find so they can get back out and issue speeding tickets.

I'm not 100% convinced he didn't do it.

Another man who is absolutely convinced he is guilty is Nick Ross, her co-presenter on Crimewatch. I remember watching an reenactment after his last appeal failed and Ross was adamant they had convicted the right man.

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Originally Posted by ginge51

Jesus, i wonder what type of payout he'll get?
+6 million?

I imagine he will be lucky to get anywhere near a million, apart from his loss of liberty the compensation is totted up on his potential earnings whilst inside, being as he didn't have a well payed job they would, at a guess, be looking at six times 30,000 then add that to six years lost liberty. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say he'd get arround 250,000 to 500,000.

[WHISTLED]

£250,000 according to the news this very second

Locking someone up wrongly for 8 years should be worth more than £250,000

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by Damien

Locking someone up wrongly for 8 years should be worth more than £250,000

Agreed, something even more outrageous I heard on BBC news 24 this morning was a solicitor saying that the government had recently passed a law capping compensation for "wrongful imprisonment" at £500,000. Apparently in the past it was set by an independent board with no ceiling, as obviously every case is different, imo there shouldn't be any cap, presumably these cases are rare so when the state makes a mistake they should have to make all amends possible, not try and save a few bob.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

Agreed, something even more outrageous I heard on BBC news 24 this morning was a solicitor saying that the government had recently passed a law capping compensation for "wrongful imprisonment" at £500,000. Apparently in the past it was set by an independent board with no ceiling, as obviously every case is different, imo there shouldn't be any cap, presumably these cases are rare so when the state makes a mistake they should have to make all amends possible, not try and save a few bob.

That law doesn't come into effect before October, apparently.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7538639.stm

[Russ]

If it's money he's after (and who could blame him? Think what he's been through over the last 8 years. Yes he's an attempted rapist and menace to women but he has been wrongfully imprisoned) then he won't go short. After his compensation he'll no doubt sell his story or get a ghostwriter to pen his lifestory.

Originally Posted by WHISTLED

Well Barry George has been found not guilty of Jill Dandos murder...

Thoughts?

Another cock up by the boys in blue, who answers to all these trials that get overturned?? Barry Georges compensation should be paid by the Police force who framed him, they might think twice the next time thy take a flawed case on.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Nidge

Another cock up by the boys in blue, who answers to all these trials that get overturned?? Barry Georges compensation should be paid by the Police force who framed him, they might think twice the next time thy take a flawed case on.

So it's either a cock-up or a frame job. Do you want to make your mind up on that?

Besides in case people forget the evidence against him was strong enough to survive the initial appeal he had so it wasn't just the first nutter wheeled in off the streets to stand in front of the court.

And if anyone should be paying the compensation (even though it comes from everyones pockets at the end of the day) shouldn't it be the CPS? They make the decisions about who gets prosecuted and what evidence is used.

Derek, you really have to learn to stop bringing experience, facts and reasoning into a thread - only emotional and sweeping derogatory statements are required.

Originally Posted by Derek S

So it's either a cock-up or a frame job. Do you want to make your mind up on that? And if anyone should be paying the compensation (even though it comes from everyones pockets at the end of the day) shouldn't it be the CPS? They make the decisions about who gets prosecuted and what evidence is used.

Whatever, don't the Police send the evidence to the CPS?? If the evidence is flawed, like the very tiny flake of gun powder supposedly found in his jacket pocket, the Police said it came from a gun when it transpired the gun powder came from something else. The evidence was flawed right from the start.

Originally Posted by Nidge

Whatever, don't the Police send the evidence to the CPS?? If the evidence is flawed, like the very tiny flake of gun powder supposedly found in his jacket pocket, the Police said it came from a gun when it transpired the gun powder came from something else. The evidence was flawed right from the start.

That is why it goes to trial, the Police can only present the evidence they find, the CPS decide whether a trial is justified, the court then decides innocence/guilt, as appropriate.

Gunpowder coming from a gun is a very logical assumption & certainly could not be ignored, it is the job of the court to make the final judgement as to whether that constituted proof beyond reasonable doubt. As for 'flawed from the start', hindsight is always 20/20 - it wasn't thought to be flawed when the initial conviction was secured, nor when the initial appeal against that conviction failed.

[sir_drinks_alot]

At the end of the day we can talk all we want about this there are some things that are
Very clear the Lifes of two families have been totally destroyed by this.the Dando's will
Never get a much loved familie mamber back the George's won't get back the 8 years that
Barry spant away from tham.the only winner now can be Justice maybe it won't happen Overnight but someday for the sake of all the ruined Lifes that this tearable event has
Touched Justice must be done.

Originally Posted by sir_drinks_alot

At the end of the day we can talk all we want about this there are
some things that are very clear the Lifes of two families have been
totally destroyed by this.the Dando's will never get a much loved
familie mamber back the George's won't get back the 8 years that
Barry spant away from tham the only winner now can be Justice
maybe it won't happen overnight but someday for the sake of all
the ruined Lifes that this tearable event has touched Justice
must be done.

Well said

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Originally Posted by homealone

That is why it goes to trial, the Police can only present the evidence they find, the CPS decide whether a trial is justified, the court then decides innocence/guilt, as appropriate.

Gunpowder coming from a gun is a very logical assumption & certainly could not be ignored, it is the job of the court to make the final judgement as to whether that constituted proof beyond reasonable doubt. As for 'flawed from the start', hindsight is always 20/20 - it wasn't thought to be flawed when the initial conviction was secured, nor when the initial appeal against that conviction failed.

I'm not in argument mode or anything but, I thought this DNA stuff they supposedly got Barry George on was bang to rights, didn't they say something about the chances of it not being Barry George were 200million to one. This opens a whole can of worms.

Originally Posted by Nidge

I'm not in argument mode or anything but, I thought this DNA stuff they supposedly got Barry George on was bang to rights, didn't they say something about the chances of it not being Barry George were 200million to one. This opens a whole can of worms.

To be honest, I don't know enough about the specifics of this part of the evidence to comment.

In general DNA matching is, statistically, a sound technology, however corroboration should also place the suspect at the scene of the crime, as any forensic technique has a degree of uncertainty.