Illegal Cable Box

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[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by supremus

"Stealing" cable is comparable to stealing music in the form of MP3s. Probably even less serious than that. It's not even in the same league as stealing a car or even speeding, so if you're so concerned about "doing the right thing", why don't you go through the iPods of your friends and family. I bet you'll find at least a few people worth turning in, don't you?

agreed

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Originally Posted by UncleBooBoo

I'm not stupid

[supremus]

Originally Posted by shawty

Are you scared?

Of what?

[the-cable-guy]

getting filled in.

[shawty]

Originally Posted by supremus

Of what?

Well you seem to be nit picking on the subject that people are reporting other people because they are stealing cable, which rightly they can and will do as it is illegal. Are you scared because you are stealing cable and someone might report you? If not then I really dont understand your point on the whole subject (and not just you). And dont come back about mp3's, we are talking about cable.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by shawty

Well you seem to be nit picking on the subject that people are reporting other people because they are stealing cable, which rightly they can and will do as it is illegal.

I'm not so much nitpicking as exposing what I perceive as pettiness and hypocrisy.

Are you scared because you are stealing cable and someone might report you?.

I don't have cable at all, but if I were stealing such a service, I wouldn't be worried about being reported, as it's quite clear that it's not something the legal system or even the cable companies themselves are willing to do much about.

If not then I really dont understand your point on the whole subject (and not just you).

What's not to understand? I'm just sifting through the contradictions and adding a little realistic perspective to all this.

And dont come back about mp3's, we are talking about cable.

Yes, and all the morality-pushers are afraid to answer the MP3 or speeding question, which is a relevant point, when someone argues for reporting neighbours as a "greater good" act.

[the-cable-guy]

this is getting out of hand now. carm down ppl.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

this is getting out of hand now. carm down ppl.

I'm not making any kind of angry point, but it's quite clear that most people aren't consistent with their supposed "stealing is stealing" policies, and that's the very definition of hypocrisy.

[shawty]

Originally Posted by supremus

I'm not so much nitpicking as exposing what I perceive as pettiness and hypocrisy.

I don't have cable at all, but if I were stealing such a service, I wouldn't be worried about being reported, as it's quite clear that it's not something the legal system or even the cable companies themselves are willing to do much about.

What's not to understand? I'm just sifting through the contradictions and adding a little realistic perspective to all this.

Yes, and all the morality-pushers are afraid to answer the MP3 or speeding question, which is a relevant point, when someone argues for reporting neighbours as a "greater good" act.

I still think your scared, but then thats my personal opinion on the matter. Stealing cable is theft, it can also have an affect to other peoples accounts. I have to ask why you feel you have to comment in the way you do about someone reporting someone for stealing cable. Where would you draw the line, obviously someone in this thread would not stop people trying to break into cars, would you go this far.

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Originally Posted by supremus

I'm not making any kind of angry point, but it's quite clear that most people aren't consistent with their supposed "stealing is stealing" policies, and that's the very definition of hypocrisy.

Stealing is stealing. Thats why my DVD collection are all originals, but thats getting away from the point of why your here because someone is going to report someone for stealing cable.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by shawty

I still think your scared, but then thats my personal opinion on the matter.

What would I be scared of? Like I said, I don't have cable, and as far as I know, there are no illegal boxes available for Sky, and even if I were stealing cable or sat, there's no evidence of anyone ever having been successfully prosecuted for such a thing, only for selling such services and hardware.

Stealing cable is theft, it can also have an affect to other peoples accounts.

So you say, but there's also no evidence of this being a significant problem, certainly not as big a problem as Virgin's own accounting mistakes and methods, some of which could arguably be considered illegal themselves. Still, I agree that it's technically theft, but it's no more serious than "stealing" MP3s or speeding, "crimes" which most people around here commit on a daily basis.

I have to ask why you feel you have to comment in the way you do about someone reporting someone for stealing cable.

It's a public forum, and I find the subject interesting. Do you have a problem with the way I comment?

Where would you draw the line, obviously someone in this thread would not stop people trying to break into cars, would you go this far.

We can all get on board with the idea that stealing a car is a serious crime. Most people would be consistent enough to even stop friends and family, if they caught them doing such a thing.

Stealing is stealing. Thats why my DVD collection are all originals, but thats getting away from the point of why your here because someone is going to report someone for stealing cable.

I don't understand the question?

[shawty]

Originally Posted by supremus

What would I be scared of? Like I said, I don't have cable, and as far as I know, there are no illegal boxes available for Sky, and even if I were stealing cable or sat, there's no evidence of anyone ever having been successfully prosecuted for such a thing, only for selling such services and hardware.

So you say, but there's also no evidence of this being a significant problem, certainly not as big a problem as Virgin's own accounting mistakes and methods, some of which could arguably be considered illegal themselves. Still, I agree that it's technically theft, but it's no more serious than "stealing" MP3s or speeding, "crimes" which most people around here commit on a daily basis.

It's a public forum, and I find the subject interesting. Do you have a problem with the way I comment?

We can all get on board with the idea that stealing a car is a serious crime. Most people would be consistent enough to even stop friends and family, if they caught them doing such a thing.

I don't understand the question?

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder because someone is going to report someone for stealing cable. Its theft, why do you have a problem with this, we have been all over this before, Im not going to get into an argument about it, I just want to know why you have this chip, I cant be the only one to see it. Why do you need to compare things? If someone is stealing cable, then why shouldnt they be reported.

[TheBlueRaja]

I'd rather steal cable and give the money to the poor instead.

Virgin trying to cut people of is actually causing poor people to suffer.

A disgrace!

[supremus]

Originally Posted by shawty

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder because someone is going to report someone for stealing cable. Its theft, why do you have a problem with this, we have been all over this before, Im not going to get into an argument about it, I just want to know why you have this chip, I cant be the only one to see it. Why do you need to compare things? If someone is stealing cable, then why shouldnt they be reported.

You misunderstand. I'm not saying it isn't theft, I'm not even saying he shouldn't report any would-be offenders, I just find it curious why someone might have such a chip on his shoulder about this particular "crime", but will turn a blind eye to equally or far more severe offences. If people are consistent across the board, and take an equally dim view on cable and MP3 theft, it would be a different matter. I wonder why you would take issue with me trying to bring a balanced perspective to the discussion, and why you and others keep claiming "theft is theft" while dodging the MP3 question? Isn't that theft too?

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[Jelly]

I scoff at your attempts to justify stealing cable, children.

*SCOFF*

You're relying on others to pay for your service. Without paying customers, Virgin wouldn't be providing TV in the first place. If you steal cable, it puts extra strain on VM's network, regardless of whether it can handle it or not, and this translates as increased prices for legitimate customers. This doesn't happen with Music or other copyrighted material, so why compare the two. Clutching at straws?