Britain outside the EU

[mrmistoffelees]

And now we’re officially in a recession

[denphone]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

And now we’re officially in a recession

Tell me how Sunaks five pledges went.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You are wasting your time. If you believe the dogma so much, you cannot row back and accept the reality. Instead, you kick on and dig deeper. You have to, to do anything else is a massive loss of face. You then end up in a post-truth cult.

Look at all the grifters on GB News, they know their time in the sun is ending. They will end up eaten by their own - Farage is coming for the Tories that survive the cull. Enjoy!

Clearly that is a sideswipe at me. Well, it's obvious from my remarks that I accept the reality. It doesn't mean that we should not have escaped the clutches of the EU. And there's the essence: "clutches of the EU". Everything pivots on that - Remainer vs Leaver.




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Originally Posted by denphone

Tell me how Sunaks five pledges went.

Not much better than Starmer's broken pledges.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Clearly that is a sideswipe at me. Well, it's obvious from my remarks that I accept the reality. It doesn't mean that we should not have escaped the clutches of the EU. And there's the essence: "clutches of the EU". Everything pivots on that - Remainer vs Leaver.




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Not much better than Starmer's broken pledges.

If your last line is your best arguement then I think you need to take a break from the keyboard and have a cuppa.

[tweetiepooh]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I have NEVER voted for Labour my whole life and i am 64 this year, however considering that Brexit has been a complete and utter *ukup. If Labour promised a referendum on rejoining the EU i MIGHT just be tempted to vote for them. Lets face it we will have to put up with a Labour government next as the present government could not organise a piss up in a brewery

That would be better than pissing in the brewery. I would never vote for any party that would hint at rejoining that godless union.

[ianch99]

Interesting report from Farmers Weekly who had a lot of members that were very keen on Brexit from what I remember:

Analysis: 7 years after Brexit, farmers count the cost

Increased red tape, a worsening economic situation, damaging free-trade deals, a trail of broken promises – it seems that farmers and those working in the ancillary industries are far from satisfied with Brexit.

That is the inevitable conclusion from a new survey by Farmers Weekly into how the agricultural sector now perceives Brexit, seven years on from the historic referendum of 23 June, 2016.

Conducted in late May and early June, the survey attracted more than 900 responses, covering all sectors and including those who work on farms, as well as those from elsewhere in the industry.

Asked whether they believed Brexit had had a positive or negative effect on the UK economy, the overriding sentiment was negative, with about three quarters of all respondents feeling that way.

And asked about the state of their own businesses due to Brexit, a similar picture emerged, with 69% saying it had been either “fairly negative” or “very negative”.

These figures are pretty brutal:

According to the survey, some 70% of the farmers who grow cereals said Brexit had been negative for their businesses, while 76% of oilseed rape growers felt that way.

Similarly, 68% of farmers with beef cattle, dairy cows or sheep had a negative perception.

Perhaps not surprisingly, the two sectors that were even more negative were those growing vegetables (81%) and those keeping pigs (79%).

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Waargh, Waargh, Waargh.

While there is very likely an element of people who never wanted to leave pointing at evidence to support their decision what’s notable is the complete absence, from either the Government or the Labour party, any ideas to recover the economic growth or competitiveness lost.

A straightforward analysis says we have been sold a pup.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

That would be better than pissing in the brewery. I would never vote for any party that would hint at rejoining that godless union.

Pride comes before a fall would seem quite relevant here

No government is going to make an economic success out of Brexit it’s a poisoned chalice. Tories,Labour not even if the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster were to somehow get elected.

Off topic: would you like me to touch you with my noodly appendage ?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Waargh, Waargh, Waargh.

Brexit reduced our GDP by 5% investment by 13% trade by 7% reduced wages by £470 per year for every worker and increased food inflation by 7%, no wonder you're crying, who voted for this?

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Don't be silly. I've never said it was down to Remoaners.
They are just whinging annoyances. The government has the means to make Brexit succeed.

I never said you did, not everything is about you, it was a well known trope that brexit was failing because of remoaners and because people wouldn't just believe enough a while back

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The government has the means to make Brexit succeed.

Within the constraints of agreements like the Northern Ireland Protocol and our trade deals, what three measures should Sunak take to make Brexit a success?

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

I would never vote for any party that would hint at rejoining that godless union.

I think most economic unions are godless aren't they?

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

That would be better than pissing in the brewery. I would never vote for any party that would hint at rejoining that godless union.

Not sure what is godless about the EU but what we have instead is so much better in every measurable way for sure

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Interesting report from Farmers Weekly who had a lot of members that were very keen on Brexit from what I remember:

Analysis: 7 years after Brexit, farmers count the cost



These figures are pretty brutal:

It's not 7 years, it's 4 years.

I don't know if it will be any better in another 6 years, who knows what the geopolitico landscape will be then, 10years after.

But 4 years is too soon, especially after the economic hit of COVID and Ukraine to make any sensible evaluation.

[jonbxx]

10 years to realise the benefits of Brexit is a bit late for my 18 year kid who wanted to get a summer job in Spain to reinforce her Spanish A-level she will have finished by then. It seems virtually impossible to get hotel animation jobs without an EU passport unfortunately.

It’s a shame as she was really enthusiastic about doing this before university and it would have been a great experience but there you go. She can enjoy some sovereignty instead

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It's not 7 years, it's 4 years.

I don't know if it will be any better in another 6 years, who knows what the geopolitico landscape will be then, 10years after.

But 4 years is too soon, especially after the economic hit of COVID and Ukraine to make any sensible evaluation.

World politics and economics are full of surprises. The idea Brexit (or any kind of policy) will ever get some kind of clean run without a war, or a recession, is fanciful.

In reality it has to work within these parameters and there’s no evidence that it does. If anything, it hinders rather than assists economic recovery by killing it in red tape and trade barriers.

That’s not to say it can’t work - but if the politicians are utterly devoid of ideas to make it work in the short term what makes you think they have any meaningful insight for the medium and long term?

We’ve got a virtual Berlin Wall to keep us in and nothing to keep migrants out.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I have NEVER voted for Labour my whole life and i am 64 this year, however considering that Brexit has been a complete and utter *ukup. If Labour promised a referendum on rejoining the EU i MIGHT just be tempted to vote for them. Lets face it we will have to put up with a Labour government next as the present government could not organise a piss up in a brewery

Trust me we have had labour running this country since May 2007 and they couldn't organise a piss up in an urinal . Waste money on vanity projects, ie a field for green man, an airport that is hardly used, never mind 20 mph speed limit