ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase - Page 39

Robc66 · 17-08-2005, 19:14

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Originally Posted by Bill C

Because reading between the lines. There is going to be some form of hard cap on the limited services. "dont take that as me confirming this. I am making an assumption from what they have posted in the news section".

Would be nice if we got 8mbit though. Considering that other companies offer more for cheaper.

dilli-theclaw · 17-08-2005, 19:17

I belive I'll wait 'till I actually see what's happening in black and white.

I'm pretty impressed with my upgrade to 2mb - so I will probably be impressed with whatever else they give me

Ignition · 17-08-2005, 19:52

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Originally Posted by Earwig

Just wondering though if the quote from NTL about only 2% of it's customers going over the cap is to be beleived??

If in fact only 2% DO go over the cap then what harm could their be in offering 10Mbit without a cap? As hardly anyone would go over it.....AND if they are upping it to 75GB then that must surely reduce that 2% further still?

I think they are not giving the right figures there.......

Dead right I'm afraid, of that 2% that break their limit perhaps 50% of them are doing 3 figures a month, and there's a small percentage that are doing full whack on their connections 24x7. On 10Mbit that's absolutely unsustainable, 1 person doing that will eat over 25% of an entire uBR card.

10Mbit = 100GB/day = 3TB/month, and you can guarantee there will be idiots who do that. TW are in for some fun.

Also TW have made a huge concession with remaining uncapped - the upload on their 10Mbit product, a mere 384kbps.

Harm offering 10Mbit uncapped is it only takes 4 planks to cripple several thousand quid of capacity - as TW may well find out in the near future.

You'll hate me for this but I hope that the uncapped packages are at most the current 1/2/3Mbit (this is most likely I reckon) preferably 512k, 1Mbit and 2Mbit, especially with the increasing rarity of uncapped DSL products.

Florence · 17-08-2005, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Ignition

Dead right I'm afraid, of that 2% that break their limit perhaps 50% of them are doing 3 figures a month, and there's a small percentage that are doing full whack on their connections 24x7. On 10Mbit that's absolutely unsustainable, 1 person doing that will eat over 25% of an entire uBR card.

10Mbit = 100GB/day = 3TB/month, and you can guarantee there will be idiots who do that. TW are in for some fun.

Also TW have made a huge concession with remaining uncapped - the upload on their 10Mbit product, a mere 384kbps.

Harm offering 10Mbit uncapped is it only takes 4 planks to cripple several thousand quid of capacity - as TW may well find out in the near future.

You'll hate me for this but I hope that the uncapped packages are at most the current 1/2/3Mbit (this is most likely I reckon) preferably 512k, 1Mbit and 2Mbit, especially with the increasing rarity of uncapped DSL products.

I am hardly bothered about the cap I know the monthly cap I am below but I do know I occasionally break the 1gig a day.. 10mb speed would be nice as a boost if ineeded something quick. But!! I can live without it

Robc66 · 17-08-2005, 21:07

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Originally Posted by Ignition

10Mbit = 100GB/day = 3TB/month, and you can guarantee there will be idiots who do that. TW are in for some fun.

Do u really think that sombody would download 100GB a day for the fun? he would have to spend 80 quid every day for a new hardrive. You are just being really unrealistic

Matth · 17-08-2005, 21:35

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Originally Posted by Robc66

Do u really think that sombody would download 100GB a day for the fun? he would have to spend 80 quid every day for a new hardrive. You are just being really unrealistic

Good point, even for the real gluttons, there has to be a practical limit to what they can handle....

Anyway, I wonder what I can look forward to as a ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£17.99 per month cheapskate, having stuck with the 300k and a limit that would take some serious effort to hit.

I'd find 10Mbit/3Gb just as pointless as 1Mbit/3Gb - the original rumour of 5Gb, I was juggling monitoring on the basis of 3Gb or thereabouts for general use, and 2Gb for exceptions - and comparing inaccurate monitors, some days were over target, others under.

On the other hand, if their lowest tariff turns out to be 512k with a large (abuse only) limit, or 1Mbit with a moderate limit, I'll bite their hand off and abandon all thoughts of kicking them for ADSL (which IS a practical option) - on the other hand, if UK Online's ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£9.99 512k hits my exchange before then , bye bye NTL.

While they might have a low tier 10Mbit available in the end, I'd rather see an increased quota on the 1Mbit - especially as rolling out a standard 10Mbit to all "limited" tiers would make the PACE STB obsolete as a way of handling broadband.

Ignition · 17-08-2005, 22:04

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Originally Posted by Robc66

Do u really think that sombody would download 100GB a day for the fun? he would have to spend 80 quid every day for a new hardrive. You are just being really unrealistic

Really?

A DVDR holds 4.7GB, and can be burned in 15 minutes.

There are people, I can think of 1 who has 3 TB of drive space on his PC, he's on 4Mbit BY and has it maxed 24/7.

I am certainly not being unrealistic at all.

If you think that 100GB of hard drive costs 80 quid too I'll do you a good deal on one considering I can get 250GB for 65 without really shopping around

jtwn · 17-08-2005, 22:19

or 6 minutes with my new nec3540a /hugs

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Originally Posted by slowcoach

On the other hand, ntl's "by the end of 2005" and "by the end of 2006" could start to kick in from next Monday

oh my god....oh my god

/dies

IanUK · 17-08-2005, 22:44

3mb unlimited would be fine for me

It would be nice to have 5mb unlimited, but 3mb would do for the same money.
I'll probably try 10 just to see the speed, but I think the thought of the cap would annoy me, Gamespot,Fileplanet,Easynews etc are cool on 3 mb. As regards the 24/7 brigade that is clearly taking the pee, why don't NTL just monitor those that are downloading 24/7 full whack all month, send them a letter and if they continue chuck them off.

Florence · 17-08-2005, 22:59

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Originally Posted by Robc66

Do u really think that sombody would download 100GB a day for the fun? he would have to spend 80 quid every day for a new hardrive. You are just being really unrealistic

No they burn to CDs then delete and redownload to the same HDD and most have over 300GB HDD...

Stuart · 17-08-2005, 23:02

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Originally Posted by wishy0

frist time poster

if you upgrade your speeds you WILL be capped, if you keep going over the capping you will bw asked to pay more, (nice of them to tell you you've gone over till the bill comes) this is the main reason that i'm still only 300kbs

i'm downloading most of the time (like my tunes) and dont agree with capping witch is why i havent, everyone thats upgraded to the 1 meg will get a 3gb cap!!!!!!, and theres no goingway back to 300kbs

Fluff capping

to CableForum..

AFAIK, the caps currently are not "Hard". In other words, NTL is not actively enforcing them. How do you know NTL will tell people they have gone over the cap AFTER the bill is paid? Asking more money was ONE option NTL were looking at.
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Originally Posted by Robc66

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Originally Posted by Ignition

10Mbit = 100GB/day = 3TB/month, and you can guarantee there will be idiots who do that. TW are in for some fun.

Do u really think that sombody would download 100GB a day for the fun? he would have to spend 80 quid every day for a new hardrive. You are just being really unrealistic

Ignition has access to NTL's network usage stats, so is in a better position to make an educated guess than you or I. and judging by what I have seen posted both here and on NTHW.com, I can well believe there are people who would still max out the connection 24/7 purely because they can.

Robc66 · 17-08-2005, 23:06

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

to CableForum..

AFAIK, the caps currently are not "Hard". In other words, NTL is not actively enforcing them. How do you know NTL will tell people they have gone over the cap AFTER the bill is paid? Asking more money was ONE option NTL were looking at.
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Ignition has access to NTL's network usage stats, so is in a better position to make an educated guess than you or I. and judging by what I have seen posted both here and on NTHW.com, I can well believe there are people who would still max out the connection 24/7 purely because they can.

Well them people need to look at themselves. With a faster connection i wouldnt download more i would just get what i wanted faster. I dont see how sombody could use 100GB a day though? specially everyday for a month....there isnt enough stuff to download at that sort of speed. Maybe 40GB a day max but thats it.

There are hardly any places where u will be able to download at 1.2MB/s and has TB's of data. You will NOT be able to max out your connection fully for a month. Its impossible.

Raistlin · 17-08-2005, 23:08

I think I could easily use up 100GB a day if I put my mind to it - not much of it would be legitimate though.

The thing is, if you give people enough rope (and let them have it fast enough, and cheap enough) they will eventually hang themselves

Stuart · 17-08-2005, 23:19

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Originally Posted by Robc66

Well them people need to look at themselves. With a faster connection i wouldnt download more i would just get what i wanted faster. I dont see how sombody could use 100GB a day though? specially everyday for a month....there isnt enough stuff to download at that sort of speed. Maybe 40GB a day max but thats it.

Same here...

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There are hardly any places where u will be able to download at 1.2MB/s and has TB's of data. You will NOT be able to max out your connection fully for a month. Its impossible.

You can download from more than one server.. Especially if you use Download managers such as getright.

bilal · 17-08-2005, 23:23

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Originally Posted by slowcoach

On the other hand, ntl's "by the end of 2005" and "by the end of 2006" could start to kick in from next Monday

the way thats said could either be
1. Saying that the upgrades will happen sooner than expected
2. Or you are saying 3mb will start next monday
3. or all users will start from next monday

im gonna hope for number 3

Could you clarify your answer

Also is there any news if ntl will allow all users to upgrade to 10mb online. As in ppl with 3mb, 2mb and 1mb will be able to upgrade instantly as soon as the update starts to be issued to any package they wish (10 with 75gb or 10mb with **gb or 10mb with **gb)???